The issue is not space, but how we move through it

I have mobility issues and car infrastructure does nothing for me and in many cases makes my life harder.

Nobody said you couldn't build paths between places.

Fuck you.

For people with no assistance that just have to walk, it's ableist and hateful. And if you really had mobility issues, you'd be against these dystopian car-hating people, too.
- https://cyclingfallacies.com/en/6/people-with-physical-disabilities-can’t-cycle
  
  Thanks for the link! I’m saving that!
  
  I'm happy you're disabled enough and/or rich enough to get fancy-ass fucking disabled bikes for yourself. Privileged shitlords. The rest of us are fucked.
  
  What the fuck? I'm in the poorest 5% 4% bracket of my country
  
  Because public services and transportation hasn't and can't provide services to disabled people? You really think that? Fuck man, these systems can work and provide for you easily. Japan and the Netherlands have a lot of handicap support and you can get around without needing to be privileged. I hope you get the help you need.
  
  I can't use public transportation. They make a nice show of how they're "accessible" but they're really fucking not. Fuck public transportation. Cars are so much easier and go RIGHT TO AND FROM WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.
  
  You're just being ableist and parroting the same anti-car bullshit.
  
  I'm not. But you're unwilling to have a productive conversation. With unproductive language. So it's pointless to really continue this.
  
  Both countries still have cars. You can still get around with a car. The idea is to reduce car usage so that people that have a need for a car can and with less traffic. You'll get to point a and b quicker without people that don't need a car clogging the street. But hey I'm apparently being ableist. When you're willing to be productive in conversation we can continue with this. But if you're gonna be thick about it. I'm not interested in continuing this.
  
  No, you want a world without cars. That is your stated goal. You backtracking is you trying to take a more neutral position than your original one, which is "cars bad, everyone walk/use public transportation". That's ableist, hateful, and impractical for a ton of people, including people who don't have mobility issues for so many damn reasons, including transporting goods, weather, going places as a family, having a shelter for not only the weather but for anything else, and going directly to and from one's destination. Cars are the primary way of transport and nothing you and your anti-car buddies say are going to change it. You're like vegans and religious people arguing against common sense and logic and reason; you are contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.
  
  Wake up and accept modern life and our necessities.
  
  Fuck "fuck cars". There's your "unproductive language", which is, you know, just language. Being vulgar isn't unproductive, it has its reasons to exist. Which, in this case, to in no certain terms damn your entire worldview.
  
  Don't put words in my mouth that I did not say. I never stated a goal without cars. My two examples still have cars and they have public transportation. You're being entirely disingenuous and contrarian, truly ironic that you're calling me out as the contrarian. I never said fuck cars. Now this community is called that but it's just an umbrella for better urban design. So I'll concede that it's not helpful language in that specific regard. But if you can provide multiple forms of transportation for everyone that is not a bad thing. To think that's a bad thing is wild. Some people can't even afford cars and depends on there cities to provide public transportation. What do you say about those people, do they deserve to improve there material conditions? Cars don't have to be a primary way for commuting and there's plenty of people in my two example that don't use a car to get to and from work. But there's also people in those countries that do.
  
  I've recently visited my friend in Japan and his family they live about 2 blocks from a station. We traveled all around that city via the subway system. No car, they don't even have a car, they can't really even afford one. Cars aren't always the primary modern necessity of getting around. Now in places like the North America, it very much is. But we can improve conditions for people that can't afford cars by improving those system. It does not mean remove all cars. If you want to drive a car to and from places you still can. You'll deal with less traffic. You'll get to places faster, your quality of live will improve. You still get your car.
- Why do you love dystopian cars?
  
  Why do you love dystopian societies where people aren't able to get around freely unless they are privileged?

Fun fact: massive parking lots also cause problems for those with mobility issues. So do really wide roads. Dense and therefore walkable city infrastructure is also the most disability-friendly city infrastructure, full stop.

God, I don't want to imagine how awful it must be for a person with mobility problems to cross those wide ass roads they have in the US...

What. Effective public transport and less car centric infrastructure is far and away better for those with mobility issues. Walkable areas does not mean the abolishment of cars, it means more effective use of space and transport. Try visiting Austria or the Netherlands. Getting around is far, FAR easier than any city in the US. I have mobility issues, and require a cane to get around if I'm standing for significant periods, and yet the easiest time I had getting around was the time I spent in Vienna after living in different parts of the US for my whole life.

How do you have an easier time with a cane walking around everywhere than riding in a fucking car? I think you're lying.
- Bus. Tram. Subway. Train. And yes, I do drive if necessary. Walkable does not mean walking is mandatory, and a huge part of the push for a decrease in car only infrastructure is the increase in public transportation. The idea isn't to remove the ability for cars to exist, but to make other forms of transportation accessible and possible, and make reliance on cars a thing of the past. I don't know why you've got it so wrapped up in your head that cars are going to vanish and we will only be walking, as if there aren't dozens of other forms of transportation accessible for those of us with disabilities. The time I've spent living in places with good public transportation is the most independence and self determination I've experienced. I'm not lying, you're just disingenuous, stupid, or misinformed.
  
  YOU HAVE TO FUCKING WALK TO AND FROM THE BUS, THE TRAM, THE SUBWAY, AND THE TRAIN. THOSE ARE NOT POOR MOBILITY FRIENDLY OPTIONS.
  
  HOW FUCKING HARD IS THIS FOR YOU TO FUCKING UNDERSTAND, YOU HATEFUL SHIT?
  
  I'm not hateful. The bus stop is never more than a short walk away. If you need a car to go 100 feet, then you shouldn't be living alone. Do you think every disabled person is stupid? I'm not going to choose an apartment up 3 flights of stairs on the other end of the block from the bus stop. I'm going to use the ADA apartment on the ground floor that is a shorter walk to the bus stop than half the parking lot. If I need to get somewhere that I can't access with public transportation without excessive walking, I'll drive or get my fiancee to drive me. I'm sorry you think I'm hateful for sharing my own lived experience. That's on you for lack of comprehension, not me.
  
  You seem to think having mobility issues is an all or nothing, can't-move-at-all or you can run around at will thing. I swear to fuck, people like you are the goddamn problem.
  
  Grow up and figure out the reality of the world. Then get back to me. I am not going to live somewhere where I have to walk a path, pull myself onto a bus with tons of other people, cram myself into a seat, ride where I need to go, get what I need, CARRY THOSE THINGS BACK DOWN TO THE BUS AND GET ON THE BUS WITH THOSE THINGS, AND THEN GET OFF AND WALK BACK HOME ALSO WITH THOSE THINGS. Hell, even if I was healthy, that's a pain in the ass.
  
  Do you not understand such fucking simple things? Maybe you need to take the time to think about them. Don't reply to me for a couple of days. Look at people who have mobility issues that don't look that bad. See people getting out of their cars in the mobility parking that just snap up right out of their cars and walk seemingly without issue to the place they're going? Hint: most people who do that are not faking a disability. Disability can manifest itself in many ways, and it doesn't take much beyond simply walking down the street or living alone and being able to do enough basic tasks to get by safely to run into their actual problems.
  
  Grow up, shut up, think, and get back to me. If this was any other goddamn condition, you'd be ostracized from society for being so goddamn hateful, but for some reason, ableism isn't a real enough thing to people for them to be angry, and it absolutely should be as someone who does have some serious mobility issues.
  
  You. Don't. Have. To. Use your car! It's not being taken away! You will have EASIER access to the roads with less people on them. I'm genuinely dumbfounded by your inability to understand this, or your apparent belief that disabled people either don't live in or don't use public transportation in places that have great transport. Seriously. You're fighting ghosts here with how off the mark you are.
  
  I'm convinced he's unable to actually read anything we're saying. He's projecting that we are the ones being hateful. But he's blinded by his own hate. It's really sad to see. No one is taking his car away. I don't understand how providing multiple forms of mobility is a bad thing. But he believes that car is the only one.
  
  You can't reach a person that's unwilling to read and comprehend what is being said. He's being contrarian to be contrarian. I hope he gets help, but seeing how he contracts himself, he's delusional enough that he thinks he's justified in being an ass. You'll be unable to have any productive conversation with this individual. But it is truly a sight to behold.

Why wouldn't it make more sense to provide mobility assistance like motorized chairs for the 1% of users who need such to get them to and from transit options including parking even if its not house side.

Lol, what makes you assume they couldn't build parking?

I fucking hate me, so this tracks