Big Sale! But not on everything...
Big Sale! But not on everything...
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I think I figured out one reason Trump is going after Greenland. It looks huge on a Mercator Projection map even though it isn’t that large.
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That is genuinely stupid enough to be plausible.
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Oh wow, this actually makes sense now
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Look at it, it's almost as bit as Africa! We haven't found who is the president of Africa, so we had to make do with Greenland though.
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There is one and only one reason Trump/US wants Greenland. With US out of NATO, it is a point closer to Europe to threaten Europe. Every other explanation is a disgusting lie, and of zero value to US.
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It wouldn't be very strategically important to the US on its own, but it currently is strategically important to NATO and harmful to Russia.
Getting NATO out of Greenland is Putin's order.
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Absolutely absurdity that has to stop. Greenland is far away from Russia. Fine, some possible ICBM missile trajectories go over Greenland, but NATO is not going to stop US from putting missile shield or offensive nukes in Greenland, as long as it stays under NATO oversight. The Putin Derangement Syndrome that extends to explaining all Trump actions as gifts to Russia needs to stop being said out loud. Pure CIA disinformation to somehow brainwash Europe into accepting this.
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It's about Naval access to the Atlantic. The Russian Navy has to go between Greenland and Norway. With NATO controlling both sides, they don't have a route to the Atlantic through friendly waters.
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There are international waters between Iceland and UK. When US is part of NATO, with as a matter of fact, dictatorial control over NATO, ownership of Greenland doesn't matter. It is only a severance of US/NATO alliance that makes Greenland matter.
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And Trump has also indicated we're leaving NATO.
So having Greenland as part of NATO independent of the US important. If Trump were to take Greenland, he could allow Russian Naval activity in Greenland's territorial waters.
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Need to stop with any fantasies that US needs Greenland in order to gift Russia anything whatsoever. Russia has access to both oceans and does not need to go anywhere near Greenland to even ship to US or Canada, much less Europe. It does not care about any resources in Greenland because the closest consumer is eastern Canada and US.
Yes Trump wants to leave NATO. If Greenland stays part of Denmark/NATO then that can threaten US.
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In the event of a military blockade by NATO after America leaves NATO, Russia's only route to the Atlantic would involve the Panama Canal or going around Africa or South America.
And Trump is also totally coincidentally trying to take the Panama Canal too.
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If EU wants to blockade trade between Russia and eastern Americas, it needs to blockade vast international waters between Iceland and UK, in addition to Baltic sea. Blocking such trade will be viewed as act of war by Russia and Americas, and Russia navy alone is enough to break through/sink EU blockade, or nuke the degenerates.
There is extreme likelihood of EU understanding Russia makes a better friend than US in long term, and failure of this understanding is certain electoral failure. That center-moderate support for nazis in Ukraine is not the obvious moral high ground over home nazis, that happen to be nato skeptics, everyone here seems to think it is. The Ukrainian nazi diminishment of Russia is only a EU favour to US.
Russia has a Pacific coast that means it never needs to use Panama Canal.
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BlueAnon conspiracy theorists continue to only be able to respond to bad things Americans do by saying "this is secretly the work of a foreigner"
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Read the latest comment from that guy down the thread when the mask falls completely off. It's a real piece of work, calling Ukrainians vermin and Georgians pig-fuckers.
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K, don't care. It doesn't change the fact that BlueAnon trying to attribute every bad thing America does to a secret plot by an even foreigner is pure jingoistic American Exceptionalism.
Edit: I also did read his comment, and no, he did not say that.
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Directly from the comment I'm addressing:
Georgia, though not anywhere close to Ukrainian nazi vermin, was preventing regions seeking autonomy that needed Russian assistance. Still, pig fuckers aspiring to NATO government..."
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So are you consciously choosing to misrepresent what they said, or is your reading comprehension really just that terrible? I'm guessing the first.
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With US out of NATO, it is a point closer to Europe to threaten Europe.
The US has Britain, which is essentially a US client state these days.
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UK is indeed "close" to US. Unequal relationship where US keeps dangling free trade deal, but never delivers, no matter how many pipelines Liz Truss helps blow up. It is more of a close political relationship, rather than UK people desperate to follow every war. Musk threatening to liberate UK from liberals they voted for last, is a strain on public opinion. US using Greenland to threaten EU would lose US's shine as a beacon of freedom, as perhaps tariffs on Canada, to extort its sovereignty, do. UK would see alliance with US much as Canada realizes.
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I always understood it as trump wanting the natural resources that Greenland has, along with it being positioned in a future ultra strategic location for arctic trade. like if the polar ice caps melt in the summer then countries close to the north pole will be able to send more ships easily, making any land around chokepoints in this trade more valuable - like Greenland
not saying I like any of this stuff, but this is what I've heard
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Every piece of land can be useful. US's current friendship with/lordship over NATO would get any project it wants done, and allow any shipments/trade routes to/from America. Project value is overblown due to high development costs and distance to markets.
The reason you will hear economics and defense from enemies motives, is that is the sweetest sounding lie. It would increase the purchase price if Denmark citizens knew that Denmark government and its king are selling to US to improve its capabilities to murder all Danes.
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There is one and only one reason Trump/US wants Greenland.
There's more than one. To me, the most plausible one is that Putin has played on his insecurities. He probably told Trump that a president / king / emperor is remembered when they expand their territory, otherwise they're forgotten. So, off Trump goes, trying to cement his legacy as a great president by expanding US territory. By doing that, he plays right into Putin's hands by destabilizing the world.
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Trump is evil. Overthinking his motivations for evil to conform to your previous worldview harms you. America is "greater" with greater threat it can impose on Europe.
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"Evil" people have motivations too. There's no overthinking needed. He's frequently played by Putin, and this makes the most sense.
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It looks huge on a Mercator Projection map even though it isn’t that large.
In the Mercator projection it appears to have about the same area as Africa, while in reality it is about a 14th of it. But, I wouldn't say that "isn't that large": if Greenland was independent it would be (and Denmark is, because of it) the 12th largest country in the world.
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