Bernie Sanders to voters skipping presidential election over Israel: ‘Trump is even worse’
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) shares his message to voters in the Uncommitted Movement who are considering not voting in the presidential race over the Biden administration's handling of Israel.
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Perhaps 'common sense' was a poor choice of terminology there, because it's often far from common, or sensible, and I suspect your idea of common sense would differ from mine. in any case.
That said, what I meant by the term was that if you look at the bigger picture, instead of fixating on one aspect, you'll see that there are so many other factors to consider here - woman's rights, lgbtq recognition, racism, sexism, work class quality of life, minimum wage, unions, and so much more,, and that every single one of those would become worse under a trump presidency, for everyone except methheads with guns, and the disgustingly-wealthy. I'm going to assume that you're not in either of those groups.
I do not wish to participate in a system where I am forced to trade the lives of children for my own rights as a queer person, as a feminist, etc.
I do not accept that my health and ease are more important than the health and ease of others.
I will die, at some point, regardless of who wins the election.
I will know suffering, at many points, regardless of who wins the election.
I will have my identities scoffed at, at many points, regardless of who wins the election.
The one thing I can be sure of is that I protect my values, which tell me that I am not better than anyone else simply because of my perspective, and that I accept the loss of their life for no good reason as little as I would accept the loss of my own.
Don't worry - the Terminally Online Leftists will change their tune from "It won't change the election" to "If Palestine gets genocided by Israel, it's only fair minorities in the US are genocided too".
People will do what they want. I'm queer, neurodivergent, and an immigrant - violence has been done to me and my family for our identity/identities. I am tired of it.
People will do what they want. I’m queer, neurodivergent, and an immigrant - violence has been done to me and my family for our identity/identities. I am tired of it.
I love how your argument changes from "Even if we can't change it we have to oppose it, no matter who it harms!" on Palestine to "We can't do anything about it and we shouldn't try" when it comes to potential US genocide. 10/10, no notes.
I don't think you know what an argument is? Me being tired of human violence against the outgroup is not an 'argument', it is merely my experience.
I think you might be less good at talking and listening than you are at being angry that people don't seem to agree with you. This might be why people work so hard to make a world which harms people. That world is definitely what makes me tired of it.
I don’t think you know what an argument is? Me being tired of human violence against the outgroup is not an ‘argument’, it is merely my experience.
Yet that experience is what you invoke as a defense when your position of allowing genocide is attacked. Rather sounds like an argument.
'Experience' is not some magical word that absolves you of responsibility for your positions.
I think you might be less good at talking and listening than you are at being angry that people don’t seem to agree with you.
Sorry, I'll try not to be angry at people calling for my genocide because they think it makes them more morally pure in the future. I'll meekly accept my genocide, like you seem determined to.
Again, you're treating both options as if they were equally bad, and they are most certainly not.
You say that both will result in the deaths of innocent people, but you completely ignore the scale. It's like if you had to choose between being punched in the face once, or every day for the rest of your life, you would choose neither, because you don't want to be punched in the face, but while you're standing on your soapbox protesting face punching, the election rolled on, the worse option won by a handful of votes, and now you're going to be punched in the face every day, regardless of what you wanted.
If Trump wins, and you think that you can absolve yourself of any responsibility for what he will do in Gaza, or Ukraine, or for any other suffering resulting from his callous narcissism, then you're just fooling yourself. If trump wins, I will have no sympathy whatsoever for people who refused to vote, out of some sad idea of holding themselves to their principles, while at the same time allowing a literal fascist to take power.
I'm heading to bed now.
Good night!