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A lot of people claiming real leftists don't vote lately

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Look, I'm already gritting my teeth and doing what needs to be done to keep Trump out of office and now liberals want to loudly complain that I'm not enthusiastic enough about it. If anything short of enthusiastic support for another corporate dem will lead us into fascism, then it's already fucking here.
- It literally is already fucking here and we need to stop it from getting more power. It has already taken over part of the government. You throwing up your hands and giving up is not helping this fight.
  
  Who said I was giving up? That's what has me so frustrated. Expressing even the slightest criticism of Kamala has an army of liberals chastising me for contributing to voter apathy and telling me to be more enthusiastic. I'm not apathetic at all, I'm fired up, sick of this shit, and will never stop demanding more of the people who claim to be protecting us from the fascists. If the US falls to the christofascists it will be the dems' - and all the liberals who uncritically support them - faults and not mine.
  
  Holy victim blaming. You really spent that whole paragraph describing shit things Republicans are doing and want to do, and then ended it by saying you'll fight Democrats and if the shitty things happen you'll blame democrats.
  Dude, think about what you're saying here.
  
  I'M NOT FIGHTING DEMOCRATS. CRITICISM IS NOT CONDEMNATION. SUPPORT IS NOT BINARY.
  Of course the Republicans are most responsible for their own actions, but by doing a piss-poor job of countering them, constantly compromising on our values for political convenience, and refusing to turn a critical lens on ourselves for fear of losing we sabotage our own efforts.
  I will repeat what you misinterpreted so you can give it some more thought: I will never stop demanding more of the people who claim to be protecting us from the fascists.
  
  I’M NOT FIGHTING DEMOCRATS.
  proceeds to continue attacking democrats exclusively
- Reread my comment again, it's only 2 sentences. No one's "loudly complaining".
  
  Sorry to release my frustrations entirely on you, you are but one voice in a cacophony. I only mean to point out how infuriating a response "please show more enthusiasm or the christofascists might win" is to criticism of the opposition candidate.
  
  Well, leftist apathy does make a christofascist win more likely. Criticizing the lesser evil right before an election does increase leftist apathy. Just because it's infuriating doesn't make it false.
  
  Criticism of Biden led to his corporate donors losing confidence in him and pushing him to drop out, and now we're in a better position than we were. It's all the liberals who insisted on sticking with Biden despite knowing he was the worst possible candidate who could have cost us the election.
  
  Sooo, you're trying to roll those dice twice in a row?
  
  Context is everything. Biden dropping out was always a possibility, Kamala dropping out is not. Criticism of Kamala instead has the effect of communicating the values of the electorate to her so she can respond accordingly. Supporting her uncritically only communicates that she can be as shitty as she wants as long as she isn't as shitty as Trump.
  
  This seems like a tactic better employed after the election. Like immediately after. We have an entire term to steer her left through criticism with the pressure of reelection.
  But the more pressing issue before that is beating the christofacists, which is better served through big tent support. Context is everything.

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