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Vote out the career politicians who don't really give a shit about you

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How many Trumpers will even have this at the front of whatever passes for their minds in 4 month's time?
- I'll bet you actual money there will be shirts, shoes, hats, and bumper stickers of that moment.
  
  I've already seen that shit getting blasted under any twitter posts mentioning trump by bots. The vultures are fucking quick with it, let me tell you, like less than an hour after that photo came out I started to see that shit appear on this stupid redbubble type t-shirts as a design. I bet that shit's gonna sell like hotcakes.
  
  I'm not sure why that would even matter. Just throw that shit on the massive pile marked "shitty Trump branded merch".
  
  Really fucking helpful discussion there. Just ignoring all of it and lamenting how his merch is shitty...
  Yeah that will totally do something.
  If you need to help your brain make some dopamine go touch grass, do some origami or masturbate or something.
  Cause this wasn't helpful or even coherent as part of the conversation.
  
  You seem like the one who needs a break, Mr Angrypants.
  What did your comment contribute exactly?
- Quite a few. It's a positive impact to his campaign.
  This election cycle isn't going to be won by bringing voters in from across the aisle, or appealing more to centrists. This election is going to be won by whichever candidate can energize voters more within swing states.
  Realistically, I expect Biden to win the popular vote and lose the electoral college.
  
  So on one hand, some Trumpers may be motivated enough to get off the couch because some idiot took a shot at him. On the other hand, Dems should be motived by things like access to abortion and staving off an attempt to institute a christofascist autocracy.
  
  (Not the same person you were in that convo with btw) I've always felt that Biden was going to rely on grassroots pro choice groups to really kick up the voter engagement. That's where the Taylor Swift factor will come in.
  
  Agreed. The election is about what people stand to lose if they stay home, not just about how old and infirm Biden is.
  
  Should doesn't matter. What is matters.
  This election is going to be purely vibes-based, nobody is undecided. Whichever candidate can get the highest turnout wins.
  Right now, sad to say, Trump is winning that vibes battle.
  
  Right now, sad to say, Trump is winning that vibes battle.
  I don't see any evidence for this. Of course, the media has a shiny new story to obsess about but that's not the same thing.
  
  Biden's polling has been tanking, aligning with the popular protesting against the Palestinian Genocide and the recent poor debate performance, with major calls for him to step down even from within the DNC.
  Trump's polling has been rising, his voters are unified, and he has managed to pull an amazing PR victory out of his assassination attempt.
  Trump doesn't look better now to Biden voters. Trump looks better to Trump voters than Biden looks to Biden voters, which is what will matter more than appealing to centrists this election.
  
  Ah, polling.
  I guess you have more faith in the accuracy of that than I do.
  
  Not the hard numbers, no, but trends? Yes.
  
  https://lemmy.world/post/17619808?scrollToComments=true
  
  We aren't talking about people switching from Biden to Trump. We are talking about people actually showing up to vote on Election Day.
  Nobody is undecided between them if voting was mandatory, what is up for flux is which side will show up more.
  
  Trump’s polling has been rising, his voters are unified, and he has managed to pull an amazing PR victory out of his assassination attempt.
  You mentioned that you put some stock in the polling. I indulged you by posting a link showing no bump for Trump post-shooting. Now you say it's down to turnout which is pretty much a given.
  I'm honestly not sure what point you're trying to make here.
  
  Dems should be motived by things like access to abortion and staving off an attempt to institute a christofascist autocracy.
  That's a nothing sandwich with a side order of nothing. As far as motivating voters. It doesn't apply to any one person. Any Democratic candidate could be saying these things, whether Biden, Harris, any of the other Democratic candidates from 2020, or a Speak-n-spell with a blue sticker on it. The GOP has, for decades, ran on people before policies. When they didn't, they lost.
  And whether we like it or not we don't live in a logical system where policies are all that matter. If we did we could have a direct democracy and have every citizen vote directly on each policy. Instead we have a Republic, so the person making the empty campaign promises matters. Their personality matters. Their energy and likeability matters. It's why Obama won, and Clinton before him. But now, the Democrats either can't see that or don't want to, or they're led by bad actors who want to lose.
  
  I disagree simply because the scale and magnitude of what the majority of people stand to lose this time is like nothing we've ever seen before.

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