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Time: Ukraine Can't Win the War

time.com Ukraine Can't Win the War

There is no realistic chance of total Ukrainian victory next year, or the year after that.

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If Russia comes out of this conflict with any gains at all that could be construed as "worth it" for their side it will be an open invitation to keep invasions on the table as a method to apply again in the near future.
- What a moronic take. As though whether or not Russia decides to take all of Europe is based on this one border conflict
- Russia is literally the biggest country in the world with massive natural resources and very low population density. The idea that Russia will sacrifice its relatively small population for the sake of additional territorial gains is preposterous.
  
  They're literally doing that right now, though
  
  They're fighting against NATO expansion to Russia's border which they have been warning against for over a decade now. Even Stoltenberg admits this now:
  
  The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that. So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.
  
  Yet the main reason countries at Russia's border want to join NATO is to not get attacked by Russia.
  
  Nah, the main reason is that their political systems have been captured by US, while propaganda groups like the NED have poured billions into trying to shape public opinion. Yet, despite all that we're now starting to see a huge backlash against all that from the public. The massive farmer protests are just the start of that.
  
  Oh wow, it's the tankie version of US exceptionalism where the US controls everything and is all powerful.
  
  The US had like zero influence in the baltics when they joined, same for Georgia when they wanted to join.
  
  Not sure how farmer protests are involved but I hope you know that the vast majority of farmers in those protests are just people who own the farm. They don't actually work those farms and the protests so far have been against climate regulations that cut into their profit margin.
  
  Image believing that US had zero influence in the Baltics despite all the evidence to the contrary.
  
  Imagine not knowing the history of the baltics
  
  looks like you don't have to imagine
  
  Sounds pretty inflammatory, your a nasty one
  
  Nope, not true, but provide no facts
  
  This is publicly available information. Spend a bit of time learning how google works instead of trolling here.
  
  Your talking about the bits which don't support your 'facts'. Unless your looking at what's publicly available in Russia. Troll off, troll
  
  get a better script 😂
  
  I thought Putin said it was because "Ukraine is a neo-nazi regime"?
  
  No, wait, he said it was because the west were using Ukraine to base their weapons
  
  Oh, nevermind, I forgot that there is no such thing as Ukraine, it's all part of Russia
  
  Oh, or is it because the west are gay paedophilic gender-neutral-god-worshipping heathens
  
  Or was it because Ukraine was planning to pretend Russia nuked them first so that they could actually declare war on Russia
  
  Ah, was it to defend Donetsk and Luhansk's independence? Or are they part of Russia?
  
  Or is it that Ukraine has a government with no control, where the streets of Kiev are a lawless purge?
  
  I seem to have lost track of why he's invading. Could you clarify for me?
  
  Ukraine being a neo-nazi regime doing ethnic cleansing in Donbas and planning to host NATO weapons that can strike within Russia are precisely in line with the problem of NATO expansion. Incredible that you're unable to understand how a single overarching problem can have multiple aspects to it. Hope that clarified things for you.
  
  Piss off putin
  
  this you 😂 https://lemmy.ml/comment/8653212
  
  Dead link? Link to the current article? Doesn't work for me, but do you want to go history game russian troll?
  
  it's a link to your own comment, you're so bad at trolling 😂
  
  And how do the gay paedophile heretics fit into your overarching problem?
  
  Wait till you find out what the banderite stance on gay pedophile heretics is.
  
  It's pretty hilarious how nearly everything you listed as if they're contradictory points actually come together rather comprehensively to support the thesis that Russia is having to fight a belligerent NATO. And the one item that doesn't fit wasn't ever claimed by Russia to be a reason for the conflict.
  
  I seem to have lost track of why he’s invading.
  
  I don't know what anyone can do for you to cure your confusion when you can't even connect the dots between the very things you are linking.
- So if the author's opinion is correct, then that would not be a good outcome. Do you think they're wrong?

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