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Trump will pull US out of NATO if he wins election, ex-adviser warns

www.cnn.com ‘US will be out of NATO’ in second Trump term, former senior adviser warns | CNN Politics

As US allies reel from Donald Trump’s weekend comments encouraging Russia to attack European allies if they don’t meet NATO budget contribution goals, multiple former Trump advisers warn in my upcoming book that the former president will seek to formally withdraw the US from the NATO alliance if he ...

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The United States has maintained longstanding support to NATO. Most recently, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, enacted on December 22, 2023, prohibits the President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-third Senate super-majority or an act of Congress.[71] This bill was a response to Donald Trump's repeated expressions of interest in withdrawing from the organization.[72][73]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_NATO#United_States
That link also claims the Greens want out of NATO, so I guess they see eye-to-eye with Trump on that one? Honestly, it makes me less likely to support the Greens now that I know that.
- The Green Party in the US is just an extension of the Kremlin aimed at peeling votes away from Democrats in key races.
  
  Don’t worry it’s the same in Europe
  
  What are you talking about? Every "green" party I know in Europe is very much against the war in Ukraine and holds Russia responsible. They are about as anti Russia as it gets. Green parties are also very much pro Europe, they want a stronger Europe with more members and cooperation in the EU. Green parties are either center-left or totally left leaning. Green parties usually get a big chunk of votes, not only marginal like in the US.
  Russia is heavily funding and supporting the right and far right parties, who are almost all against a unified Europe. Russia is doing their best to break up the EU with campaigns of misinformation, bots, advertising and direct/indirect funding of right wing political parties.
  And Russia is succeeding as well with the far right on the rise all over Europe. They already got Brexit through against all odds and are now working on breaking up the rest. In Germany the rise of the right is still fresh, so there is a lot of resistance. But other countries are much less resistant.
  
  Russia is heavily funding and supporting the right and far right parties
  Welcome to the new warfare that caught the west totally off-guard. The "poorly educated" were the first casualties and have been recycled into the Russian forces.
  
  I’m genuinely curious if there is no way to stop all/most of these influence & astroturf ops, will we just see a walled off internet with hefty firewalls or content moderation at national ‘borders’? It’d be a huge upheaval to the internet, but otherwise we’re stuck trying for a 100% defense against state cyber attacks
  
  My personal take here is that playing defense is a losing game and that we really need to kick off another 1968 movement. A counter culture that is infecting and firmly against Russia and conservatives.
  
  Thanks for the info. I admit my experience was based on the Italian greens who are irrelevant and generally left leaning, which in Italy means Russophile like anything left of the dems, and on what I know of the German greens, which is that they lobbied for getting rid of clean energy and ramping up the use of coal / gas / petrol, all Russian imports.
  
  I don't know about other European countries, but Germany's greens have kept a relatively tidy ship compared to other parties.
  Which is why Russia is puppeteering Germany's far-right to view them as a kind of combined enemy, you often hear them use the term "Linksgrunversifft" / "left-green-soiled" towards people who hold the wrong opinions.
  Didn't they push a similar joined term in America 2016? I remember encountering the words "liberal elite" a lot, probably an attempt to redirect the resentment against the uppity conservative establishment towards liberals instead. I guess it worked.
  
  No it's not, not at all.
- The US Greens are largely subsidized by Republican funders, and Green presidential candidates have been dinner guests of Putin. The US Greens aren’t an independent environmentalist party but are a GOP stalking horse.
- Oh boy, they think Ukraine should also negotiate with Putin under a cease fire: https://www.gp.org/proposal_1155_gpus_calls_for_ceasefire_to_end_ukraine_war
  But apparently they advocate pacifist ideas. No real foundation in reality.
  
  Pretty hard for me to see a difference between a pacifist and a tankie
  
  Is this irony? oO
- The Greens haven't been the greens since Nader.
- Does that apply just for 2024?
  
  Good question and I do not know. And my searching isn't coming up with a good answer either.
  
  I believe it’s forever, unless found unconstitutional or congress changes and passes a replacement.
  The 2024 part of the Bill name is just so you know which fiscal bill it is.
  Edited for typo.
- Which greens? The Scottish greens?
  
  Yes. The Scottish Greens. That's definitely for sure who I was talking about.
  
  Lots of greens around in different countries.
  
  And which country do you think I might have been talking about?
  
  Didn't know. That's why I asked.
  
  Well... there's two possible ways you could have found out for yourself-
  You could have just clicked the link and saw which Green Party I was talking about.
  You could have read your own headline and figured it out.
  
  I read the link and there are references to greens in several countries. And I suppose I could have assumed you were talking about the US, but I've never heard of a Green Party in the US.
  Now I'm sorry I asked. Holy crap.
  
  I can understand the confusion, because it's really annoying that a lot of American on Lemmy assumes everything is US-based. Wasn't as much of an issue pre-Reddit exodus.
  In this case though, you're being downvoted probably because the link sends you directly to the United States section via Withdrawal_from_NATO#United_States, which mentions the Green Party, so the context was there.

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