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Mr. w00t @lemmy.ml

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EDIT: no, I don't sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they're losing an argument ;)

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Many instances have shit like hexbear federated, but have explicit rules on the side saying "no tankie shit". make it make sense.
- stop being anticommunists and this problem is resolved
  
  Tankies aren't real Communists
  Sucking the dick of authoritarian regimes does not make you communist
  
  Heaven forbid an actually existing place on the planet actually make some real tangible gains for its people while necessarily suppressing threats
  
  There's "threats" and there's "anyone remotely criticising the regime"
  There are some tangible gains in these places but also significant losses for the freedoms and rights of their residents
  
  They don't/didn't suppress criticism, that's a myth
  
  Hell yeah there's that lib homophobia, 1 milimeter below the surface at all times
  
  I'm bi but no go ahead, call me a homophobe for making a dick joke :p
  
  r/asablackman
  
  Damn, guess I'm straight now
  Oh wait, no
  
  Then you should know better than to be homophobic as a substitute for saying anything interesting. Self-reflection would probably help you to not embarass yourself in the future.
  
  Which Communist regimes would say are the "real" communists? Because if you think (as many do) that every single mass movement that described itself as "communist" was bad, then I suspect you're not a communist at all.
  
  I'm not communist, but I do observe that many of the existing "communist" states seem to be just authoritarianism disguised as the common good
  
  All nation states are authoritarian disguised as the common good.
  
  yeah, exactly. which raises the question of why china specifically infuriates certain people to the exclusion of all other discussion.
  
  Why does it always go to homophobia with these types
  
  Idk where the homophobia is, I'm partial to sucking the odd dick myself, just not Mao Zedong or Vladimir Putin :p
  
  "umm actually I used it as an insult because it's a good thing!"
  How do you people survive the cognitive dissonance necessary to convince yourself you're not being bigoted?
  
  "you people"?
  Besides, I'm not bigoted because I disagree with your ideology, my way of pointing that out may have been hyperbolic but certainly not bigoted
  
  Yeah, you people, people who used homophobic insults about dick sucking but insist it's ok because they're gay/bi/have an LGBT friend.
  I agree that you're not bigoted because you disagree with our ideology, but you are definitely bigoted for using bigoted insults to point it out.
  
  Real Communism exists only in the pure and untouched ethereal plane of your mind palace.
  
  Real communism also only exists within the walls of the Kremlin.
  http://english.sse.com.cn/
  
  It's nice and warm in there, I like it
  
  I support whatever this is so idk what that makes me
  
  Celebrating an increase in life expectancy from 30 to 40 years old is not remotely the win you think it is.
  
  I'm celebrating the increase in life expectancy from 35 to higher than that of the US, actually, which is the win I think it is.
  The point is not the immediate increase in that specific 5 year period, the point is the clear trend of rapid, long term increases after a long period of stagnation, with the pivitol turning point being exactly when the CPC came to power. You're supposed to look at the whole graph.
  
  China never manipulates data coming out of their authoritarian country so good thing we can trust it. I'm sure their life expectancy is great with all their industrial pollution that regularly causes smog in their inner cities.
  
  Here is my source do you have a source that disputes that? Or is your belief based entirely on unfalsifiable faith?
  Also curious if you think Chinese life expectancy is still like 35 or what lmao
  You may also be interested in what the World Bank, that infamous communist propaganda rag, has to say:
  Over the past 40 years, the number of people in China with incomes below $1.90 per day – the International Poverty Line as defined by the World Bank to track global extreme poverty– has fallen by close to 800 million. With this, China has contributed close to three-quarters of the global reduction in the number of people living in extreme poverty.
  
  No one in China is over 50. If you're over 50 in China they just shoot you, and then they lie and say they didn't.
  
  I would expect you to understand unless you've read theory.
  
  What theory would that be, lol?
  
  Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand. In Fountainhead, she goes in depth about how Chinese life expectancy statistics are generally made up.
  
  My god he can't read a graph. How has our educational system been allowed to fail for this long?
  I'm not committed at all to China as the salvation of the communist project, but it's exactly this sort of self-imposed illiteracy and ignorance, and nearly religious faith in the inferiority and duplicity of The Orient that makes me default to distrusting anything negative a cracker says about it.
  
  Comrade, I also blindly trust any graph as dear leader would have it.
  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Trump_holding_altered_Dorian_forecast_map.png/800px-Trump_holding_altered_Dorian_forecast_map.png
  
  let's skip to the end of the discussion: I say "that's not anything like what I said." you say "yes but you believe those statistics are true???" I say "do you have any good evidence that they're fabricated, and that the life expectancy in China is actually still hovering around 40?" you beg the question, possibly implying that Chinese people are inherently untrustworthy, and accuse me of supporting genocide. There is nothing I can say to you that will instill an ounce of critical thinking ability in you.
  
  I mean all Hexbear links are essentially the Pravda. It doesn't help when you guys treat Wikipedia like it's somehow the same as conservapedia.com
  
  I don't think census data compiled and verified by the UN DESA is Pravda, a publication which does not exist anymore. I quite like Wikipedia and I think it's a very good way to get a quick introductory understanding of a topic which you've just learned about. In this case it prints a similar graph citing the same data, so I don't know why you would mention it to support your strange argument that China's life expectancy has not significantly improved under communism.
  It's not even that outrageous a thing to believe, but you demand that I presume it false because believing that China is a normal country opens the door to believing a whole bunch of other scary things.
  
  Why are you pretending like China is communist when they have several stock exchanges? Is that where you exchange MarxBux?
  Shanghai Stock Exchange: http://english.sse.com.cn/
  Beijing Stock Exchange: www.bse.cn
  Shenzhen Stock Exchange: https://www.szse.cn/English/index.html
  That's more stock exchanges than the US, comrade!
  
  Careful calling those regimes authoritarian. Hexbears like to attack this point by assigning a slightly different definition to authoritarian and then either (a) claim that all governments are "authoritarian" or (b) blame liberals for using this word to demonize socialist states. I once saw someone cite https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Authoritarianism to "prove" that those states are not authoritarian.
  
  Not by "assigning a slightly different definition", just by applying the definition consistently, rather than using the
  standard.
  
  Ah yes, doge-firefox, please tell me how consistent your beliefs are lmao
  
  Did you just ad hominimem this poor
  ?
  
  I strawmanned ad hominined logical fallacied all over them.
  
  It's worse than just that. They argue that acknowledgement of Stalin's atrocities is Holocaust denial.
  They are so scared and insecure they will lash out against anything that slightly challenges their beliefs. If they post sources it will be misreadings of fringe groups, or conveniently ignoring facts. Like how they believe tiananmen square wasn't a big deal because the China killed about 300 people a mile away. Or how Cuba is a utopia even though it's citizens chose to get run over by the coast guard instead of living there.
  
  They argue that acknowledgement of Stalin's atrocities is Holocaust denial.
  No, we argue that equating the bad things the soviet union did to the holocaust is holocaust trivialization, which is a take from mainstream liberal historians. Because the bad things the soviet union did were tiny compared to the holocaust and pretty tame compared to the other Allies.
  
  As ever, actual Jewish Holocaust scholars agree with us
  https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
  
  Today is September 3, 2023 and Joseph Stalin saved the world from fascism.
  
  But I hate the United States
  
  Fair enough
  
  Stop being antisocial
  
  Anticommunist
  antisocial
  Literally same thing lol
  
  Communism is the very definition of failure. How anybody could be simple enough to think that bullshit could ever be valid is shocking to me.
- I don't know what to tell you; the tankies are right.
- easy solution: your definition of tankie shit is so incredibly broad that it includes anything to the left of the US Democratic party

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