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I didn't say anything about Marx or Engels. I talked about communism.
- I didn’t say anything about Marx or Engels. I talked about communism.
  Oh dear. 🤦🏽
  
  Pick a communist nation, any communist nation
  
  Ok, let me spell this out…
  Marx and Engels created the concept of Communism. They carefully defined it.
  No nation in the history of the world has come close to meeting the criteria/definition of Communism.
  You cannot pick a Communist nation because not one has ever existed. Literally. By definition.
  A dictator who lies about their dictatorship is still a dictator, just as a wolf in sheep’s clothing is still a wolf.
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
  Since communism has proven to be impossible to implement and every attempt has resulted in brutal authoritarian regimes, we can either say communism is an incoherent mess of a utopian ideology which can't exist, or an ideology that de facto endorses brutal authoritarianism. Dealer's choice
  
  Other than not understanding how logical fallacies work, you’ve almost got it. Keep at it and I’m sure you’ll get there, eventually.
  
  And there's the smug arrogance
  "That's not real communism! Nothing is real communism!" Hahahahahahaha
  
  Once you’ve read some Marx, Engels, and maybe even Lenin - you can come back here and criticize the actual ideas and arguments behind Communism rather than the completely imaginary ones you’ve blindly accepted from others.
  Until then, we really have nothing more to talk about.
  
  I'm less concerned with 100+ year old theory and more concerned with reality
  I mean for fascism I'm going to look at Nazi Germany, not look at ideological texts surrounding the ideals of fascists
  Reality always beats theory. You refusing to admit that communism is communism does indeed make it so that we don't really have anything to talk about.

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