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  • You have demonstrated a complete inability to grasp what a VPN does, what a debrid service does, that they already do the things you've mentioned, and you have yet to acknowledge peertube even exists. I brought it up, multiple times, for a reason.

    I have to ask at this point, are you curious to understand my position? I don't see much point in continuing to explain it to you if you're not.

    I am struggling to understand yours. There doesn't seem to be a coherent idea that you're driving towards other than to tell me I'm wrong, which isn't a position as much as an antiposition. If you have a position, I would appreciate you explaining it clearly.

    • You use a VPN when you either don't trust your ISP (or the current network connection you are on) or you want to hide who you really are on the internet. Both are absolutely unnecessary when accessing a video hosting platform (you can do this, but you don't have to). A VPN is also more on the user side of things to connect to a server, the server doesn't care if you use a VPN.

      Debrid just makes accessing files easier as far as I can see. Like you give it a torrent link and it provides you a direct download? That's nice and all for piracy, but has absolutely nothing to do with a video hosting platform like YouTube. You could use Debrid to download the video file from a host, but we are talking about providing the actual host you store the videos on.

      I absolutely do not get the points you are trying to make, do you have an example for an infrastructure like YouTube you could build out of a VPN and Debrid?

      Peertube would be an alternative of course, but it obviously has tons of its own issues (mainly resources, it still costs too much to host a large instance and if you try to access one video a million times things would straight up implode). I don't see a realistic YouTube alternative without investing millions.

      • I am not saying a VPN or a debrid are necessary, only that they demonstrate the bandwidth and storage capability at scale for low cost, on which peertube could run, which would presumably scale with interest in the platform. It's not complicated.

        I won't explain any further unless you tell me, specifically, that you are curious to understand what I am saying.

        • Now listen, Debrid isn't actually providing any meaningful bandwidth. It's a third party (fourth party?) service.

          What they are doing is simple: For their paying users (no clue what it costs without making an account, $3 a month?) they offer fast direct downloads. But they aren't even storing the data themselves (besides caching)! They use premium accounts for other file hosters to get around the download throttling. So instead of you being limited to 1 MB/s or less for most downloads Debrid uses their account to download at full speed, then give you the file.

          So they are pretty much abusing other hosters by allowing their own users to share a premium account for various file hosting platforms. Which will work so long until these hosters start aggressively blocking accounts that use too much bandwidth.

          In addition to that you are paying Debrid money, $4 or something a month? If every YouTube user even paid $1 a month there would be zero need for ads. You are right, bandwidth is relatively cheap, but getting people to pay is difficult. Your suggestion would basically be that YouTube now forces everyone to pay $2 a month or they can't access the service (or only 480p videos or whatever), which would work! But is far less suitable than charging more for no ads and have only one out of hundred(?) users pay while the rest happily watches ads.

          If every user threw in some coins per month we could have services with zero ads. But even a cheap subscription like $1 or $2 is often too much to convert users. The service has to be free, so that out of a million users maybe a few hundred actually pay.

          • You're wrong about debrid services, they store everything, I assume you don't use them.

            But I'm afraid I won't "listen here". You can't even pretend to be interested in what I'm saying, apparently, so there's no point in me continuing to explain.

            • Obviously I don't use them, I'm just reading about how they work. And they seem to give you access to other hosters instead of hosting all the files on their own servers, right?

              You haven't explained shit so far, all you did was say again and again "Debrid", "VPN"!

              Which are just services, but you said zero about the infrastructure behind running them (besides mentioning it must be cheap). You could clear this up in a single sentence.

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