Charlie Kirk shot and killed while speaking at Utah college

www.independent.co.uk /news/world/americas/us-politics/charlie-kirk-dead-utah-shooting-killed-b2824230.html

Charlie Kirk confirmed dead.

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Fucking wild that a right-wing YouTuber/social media influencer was assassinated on my birthday.
I'm genuinely sickened by how many people have been openly celebrating Charlie Kirk's death, like having conservative views or supporting the right to bear arms literally makes you Hitler in their eyes. His two young childen have been robbed of their father, and people are still cheering like they'd genuinely use his grave as a gender neutral toilet.
Also, I worry this is going to be America's Reichstag Fire or Kristallnacht moment. This could very well lead to pogroms against leftists and ethnic minorities.
- He was a lot worse than that - he was a legit purveyor of hate.
  
  I'm pretty sure the first one is fake and the second one is a joke. Nobody gets sweaty and nervous because a black person is the captain or co-pilot. He's just making a joke about DEI which was going around recently. Some of his opinions may be ridiculous but we've all said ridiculous things. I didn't know anything about Charlie Kirk until this week, I'm actually quite impressed with his college debates. He was giving people political experience and being really decent with people, he even discouraged crowds from jeering the speakers.
- He was literally in the process of blaming trans people and black people for school shootings.
  We are celebrating a fascist no longer being able to encourage violence against marginalized people.
  
  Which is wild, because the fact that you are celebrating instead of a normal reaction (like, i don't know, feel bad for his family or something) will lead to them feeling confirmed in their hate towards the left.
  
  You don't make progress by eulogizing someone who spent their life justifying violence against marginalized people.
  His family can confront the hours of evidence he was a piece of shit and the families of the victims whose killers were motivated by his lies.
  
  I'm not eulogizing Kirk at all. The guy got famous by spreading hate and lies. I'm not denying that he had a negative influence, nor am i saying that we have to tolerate this.
  But being a hateful lying asshole doesn't mean that a person needs to be just that (they can be a loving father at the same time, for example), nor that they don't have the potential for change.
  In addition i am convinced that violence will lead to more violence. I'm not saying that we shouldn't speak up and fight against fascism. But by escalating the situation through violence we are justifying their view of the left as bad people.
  For both of these reasons i am not celebrating this murder, but i condemn it.
  
  they already hate the left. they just need a reason to take action. don't be delusional.
  
  I'd much prefer that they hated the left for made up shit (like trans or gac people being pedophiles) than for things where i have to reluctantly admit that they have a point (like the left celebrating a fellow humans death).
  I can say that hate breeds hate and that his killing was a direct consequence of the environment he helped create. But i don't support that violence. I don't support the murder of a human being, even of someone i perceive as a bad person.
- cry about it. him abd his extended circle killed far more people with their actions. they're just not as blatant as a bullet to the neck :)
  
  cry about it. him abd his extended circle killed far more people with their actions.
  You mean he sniped people with his words? lol, get real kid.
  
  a bullet to the neck doesn't look as graceful as deporting thousands
- This guy's propaganda helped result in the unnecessary deaths of millions during the pandemic.
- Charlie was against empathy, you are being disrespectful by showing empathy to him and his family. Stop.
  Also stop referencing the Reichstag fire as though the gestapo isn't already rounding up immigrants and dissidents. You're just afraid they'll start targeting people who look like you (something that was already in the plan, btw).
- Kirk was pro death penalty and thought children should watch executions.
  https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-death-penalty-public-executions-1873073
  If you're going to wring your hands over what people are saying about Kirk while ignoring the horrible shit he said then YOU are the problem.
  If you're going to say shit like "this is going to be America's Reichstag" while ignoring the assassination of two democrats a few months ago and ignoring the attempted murder of Pelosi's husband then YOU are the problem.
- I agree that we should not ever celebrate someone's death. Violence isn't the answer. Sometimes it's required to defend yourself, but it doesn't solve problems.
  With all that being said, if you think that motivation for his killing was that he was a right wing, 2nd amendment type, well, I've got some land in Australia I'd like to sell you.
  The guy was genuinely horrible to a lot of non conservatives, and thought gun violence was "a small price to pay" for the second amendment.
  Others have detailed his horrific viewpoints far better than I could, so I'll just leave it at that.
  As much as I don't condone violence, I'm not going to get sad about someone I didn't know, who held beliefs I don't agree with, has died. I have some measure of sympathy for his kids. His spouse knew who they were marrying, so I have less sympathy for them, but the kids, in my opinion, are the victims in all of this, if anyone. They didn't ask for this guy to be their father, and they certainly don't deserve to lose their father in such a public and very visible way. I have zero doubts that they will eventually see the footage that's floated around the Internet, if they have not seen it already. That's a tragedy. They'll have to see, in full color, the last moments of their fathers life.
  I can only imagine the kind of trauma that could impart. I truly feel bad for those kids.
  
  I can only imagine the kind of trauma that could impart. I truly feel bad for those kids.
  Thousands of people saw the video of him being killed, that's not great either. Luckily I've seen worse, I'm now immune, but a lot of zoomers just saw graphic violence for the first time and they will have problems with mood and sleep for a while.
  
  Multiply that 1000 fold for his biological kids.
  I am also immune. I've been on the Internet so long that I can accurately recreate the connection handshake tones from a modem. My first DSL line was 6mbps, and that was blisteringly fast at the time.
- Appreciate you saying this. I too worry that some will take this event as a call to action. We all need to chill with this left/right nonsense. These are our brothers and sisters that are getting killed. I don't care if they had bad opinions, nothing good comes from celebrating a murder.
- Oh no, not your heckin birthday! What are you now, 10?
- Also, I worry this is going to be America’s Reichstag Fire or Kristallnacht moment. This could very well lead to pogroms against leftists and ethnic minorities.
  I'm in New Zealand so I don't care if revenge killings claim lives, let Americans fight for control of their country lol. That said, there are plenty of us who are reasonable, the problem is with the "neuro-diverse" teenagers and twenty-something year olds on Lemmy and other left-wing echo chambers. These people who never had a real job in their life, they just work in government office jobs and live with mum and dad. Of course they're brainwashed. I just hope that they grow up soon. Ideology isn't something that you have to believe to the letter. Nobody has to live their whole live according to ideology. It'll only lead to that person becoming miserable.
- Thank you! I am shocked how few here understand that violence as an answer to hate will only further deepen the spiral of hate and violence. Y'all feel justified because the guy was a transhating fascist, but the right will see you guys celebrate and only take it as confirmation that the left are literal demons that have no empathy for two children robbed of their father.

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