Megathread: Charlie Kirk Shot at Utah Valley University Event
Kirk, 31, was shot as he spoke to a crowd at a Turning Point USA event. He leaves behind a wife and two children.
您正在查看单个线程.
Finally a good guy with a gun
It’s all fun and games until Republicans use this as an excuse to further enforce their fascist agendas. Just glad this happened in Utah and not Illinois or California. Blue states will likely bear the brunt of the repercussions if there are any.
They were going to no matter what because no one is willing to stop them. Now there's one less.
Were? They already are. Is there no one who remembers what happened in Minnesota a few months ago?
Because of guns?
Things is, talking like this, using these words means you gotta keep shooting people. So you better start buying bullets
Been doing that.
Don't kid yourself, whatever they were going to do, is going to taken up a few notches.
However you feel about his dying, the manner of his death will absolutely change what happens next.
WTF even is this comment?
Oh noooo, the people talking about putting autistic people in camps and currently sending PoC people to camps and siccing the army on civilians might do bad things more if we fight back!
Let’s just ask them nicely and I’m sure they’ll pause their evil a little bit!
Are you serious?
What is your comment?
Maybe you should reread what I actually said, and then decide whether or not you want to delete your comment.
Since you were wondering, this was the part I was replying to:
whatever they were going to do, is going to taken up a few notches.
They were going to do that anyways. Playing nice will gain us nothing.
That is my comment.
And that's objectively true.
I never said anything about what should, or shouldn't be done, or any other moral judgment on his assassination.
However, if you look at my comment history, I think you'll see my views on his death are pretty clear.
But none of that changes the fact that Trump will escalate as a result of this.
Trump will escalate as a result of this.
Trump will escalate anyway. He'll say it's because of this.
So in your opinion this is going to result in nothing different happening?
Well I think you're wrong, but guess what, we both get to find out together soon enough.
In my opinion the only things that might change are minor modifications to the timing of events. I do believe that there will be further bloodshed and things will get much worse before they get better. And that this event changes nothing in that regard. Until those of us who abhor violence run out of other options, the fascists will not be stopped. But that's just my opinion.
Did anything change after the political assassinations of Emerita Melissa Hortman and her husband, Mark Hortman?
I don't understand your point.
Why would Trump care about Democrats being killed?
This isn't about moral equivalency, or what's right, it's about what's going to happen next.
He essentially declared martial law in DC because one of his twerps got hassled, how do you think this goes?
I don't think it's controversial to point out the obvious.
Utah County is a very red area in the middle of a very red Utah state, and it happened at a right-leaning college.
It would be a very bad look if Trump sent troops in because "bad man with gun". Or it might be a wakeup call for the few dipshits still flying a Trump flag.
Either way, it's a complicated aituation.
Source: I live 20 minutes away from where it happened.
And why would any reprisals have to be targeted to Utah..?
This event will be used to justify all sorts of escalatory measures that weren't feasible for Trump yesterday.
But you don't have to believe me, we're going to get to watch it happen together real soon.
Again, I'm not even making a moral judgment about any of this. I'm just stating that objectively this is going to significantly amp up all of the fascist tendencies of this administration, and the right-wing in general - which will have real and political consequences.
Unless there's something about Trump that leads you to believe he won't take full advantage of the situation?
Unless there’s something about Trump that leads you to believe he won’t take full advantage of the situation?
Oh he will, that's for certain.
A faster timeline means more people realizing they're fucked and the fascist regime will eventually get to them.
Sure, that's absolutely a real possibility.
Again, I'm not making any judgments on the actions taken today, just pointing out that there will be significant escalatory responses from the Trump admin.
They're just going to move up a timetable on existing plans. Fascism requires them to disarm the populace at some point. An armed populace is a threat to any regime's existence. In a democracy that's not a problem, but it is for totalitarians.
It was them that did it. They knew they needed the next level and sacrificed a pawn to take it there.
No offence but I don't think this was the work of "purple haired trans furry leftist college kid". That was a perfected professional death shot. A fed shot. A pro coup shot. A death sacrifice for the reason of social manipulation during a generation of modern war.
Have you read about the kid that supposedly tried to kill trump... It sounded like a set up. Even trump is a pawn in the grand scheme... A spokesman not a leader. A pupper not a president. All of this should really be blatant. But I think people watch too much media to see the world through a clear lens.
It’s all fun and games until Republicans use this as an excuse to further enforce their fascist agendas.
Republicans are marching National Guard soldiers into the largest cities in America on exaggerated "crime fighting" excuses. They have established an unaccountable militia with ICE hiding their identities and violating the civil rights of American citizens on exaggerated or fabricated drug/violence reasons. They've needed no legitimate excuses to do these things, yet they are actively doing them. This changes nothing on that front.
Lmao, I love that person's logic. "Don't do anything to piss of the fascists, they might do something fascist."
That's not what they said.
They're just pointing out that Trump will be everage the situation and enact an even more fascist agenda.
That's not saying the left shouldn't do anything, rather just be prepared for the consequences.
I’m more afraid it will accelerate things.
I'm HOPING it will accelerate things.
Looking for afar, with an ocean between where I live and where this happened…
It’s not the government you have to be worried about. They are fascists, and they were going to escalate anyway. It’s the mesh of Nazi militias you have, which can decide to go openly ‘hunting’ progressives. Don’t expect Law enforcement to do anything about that (and iirc the groups who were watching those bastards have been dissolved).
It’s the mesh of Nazi militias you have, which can decide to go openly ‘hunting’ progressives.
You're proving my point. The Nazi militias already started this months ago before yesterday's kirk death: Minnesota lawmaker Melissa Hortman killed, State Sen. John Hoffman wounded in 'targeted political violence'
Yeah, that’s right, but I was thinking more about actions conducting to massacres and mass murders. I really want to be wrong about this.
If they're going to do that, they'll do it anyway manufacturing their own pretext as the have already done with marching the military into cities that don't like trump and his fascist policies.
Don’t expect Law enforcement to do anything about that
They already don't... The closest we can expect is cops protecting the roving bands of militias... Which they already do.
They'll make up whatever excuses they need either way so it doesn't really make a difference.
They're going to do fascism no matter what! They don't care about truth. They can just make shit up if they need to rile up their supporters.
It'll be interesting to see the contrast with the political response to this assassination compared to the Democratic Minnesota lawmaker that was assassinated a couple months ago
I get the distinct feeling conservatives won't be nearly as silent about this one
Except they haven't needed an excuse to date. I'm sick of this boogyman. Punch back, they haven't been pulling any punches.
It will be like the Iraq war.
Saudi Arabia was responsible, but we're going to attack Iraq instead.
This accelerates it for sure. I think more of what this will do is show us a clear line of liberals becoming fascist as they criticize "leftist violence".
And, to be clear, we have no idea what the motivation of the shooter was. THAT MOTIVATION DOES NOT MATTER. Please do not waste your time arguing with the fascist over this. They already made up their mind on how they would use this for their narrative. They control all media outlets.
Get off the internet and get ready to keep your family and neighbors safe. This was coming. But it's coming faster now. The liberals will only focus on condemning this violence NOT the state violence that is about to follow.
I think this is a net positive, especially because the shooter was reportedly an old white guy
per AP:
Person taken into custody after Charlie Kirk was shot in Utah is not believed to be shooting suspect, AP source says
"The person was initially a suspect but then was cleared when police realized he wasn't trans"
They've confirmed it wasn't him. The shooter was on a building 200 yards away
I dunno what you're talking about. The
<insert alleged shooter>
was with me playing the new Mario Kart game. I was in first place then I got blue shelled.Oh yeah, definitely
Side note - I just wanna say don't post this guy. He's got nothing to do with this as far as we know
What a legend
That's probably a net positive for odd white guys too, the bar is in hell these days.
3 hours later. The old guy was cleared as of this time. But the official reports have been wrong literally several times already. But just an update. The incompetency of the police and FBI is astounding.
You mean like deploying troops in our cities?
Oh wait, they already did that.
Or, do you mean shipping people off the concentration camps?
Oh shit, that's already being done.
What you're upset about is that the fascism has stepped closer to YOU.
They do that anyway. Fuck 'em.
Oh, yeah, they will, but that's inevitable anyway. It won't occur to them that oppressing Dems will only make them stronger and more resolved. Nothing has created more terrorists than Conservative military operations.
Inb4 Fox News talking heads all get Secret Service protection, so Trump can continue watching them all day.
Just for the chance that this snowballs and we get more good guys with guns making moves like this, I'm buying a bag of popcorn kernels and cheap "champagne" (because I can't afford anything else).
I get the attempt at dark humor but honestly, damn, for me, that's a no.
This is just my perspective, and I never wish harm or suffering on another living being, but if what/who you are and advocate for causes these things and you're too stupid or bribed to see it and continue being you... Then, for the greater good, good riddance
Don't get me wrong, he got what he advocated for, I'm certainly not crying or really feeling anything about his death but huh, I guess dude FAFO'ed. I just don't find the "good guy with a gun" comment appropriate here that's all even if a small sliver of me goes "yeah, kinda, yeah" because more than likely that guy is very much not a good guy, probably very mentally ill.
Just my thoughts.
From the bits I saw of the alleged shooter getting arrested, to me it looks like the guy was planning on getting caught. Balding old white men who can shoot like that don't strike me as the type who run away.
EDIT: Waiting for confirmation on whether the actual suspect is caught or not.
Last I saw the shooter is still free, the person originally arrested is not involved and has been released.
Hmm. I guess we'll wait and see.
per AP:
Person taken into custody after Charlie Kirk was shot in Utah is not believed to be shooting suspect, AP source says
A statement released by the university said a “single shot was fired on campus toward a visiting speaker. Police are investigating now, suspect in custody.” A university spokeswoman later told the New York Times that police had determined the person detained earlier was not the shooter, and that no suspect was currently in custody.
Looks like the guy initially arrested turned out to not be involved (maybe just another guy with a high powered rifle? Don't know, must make things hard in the US). Or have they since arrested someone else?
Probably one of those "open carry" dipshits, hanging around to show off his gun, and when someone gets shot, he's the first guy they focus on, giving the real shooter a head start on his escape. Nice job being a witless accomplice.
I completely understand, and I actually wish that I could share your perspective. Unfortunately for my "empathy for all" perspective, I couldn't help but smile when I read that he got shot. Because my mind directly went to the "oh, this is gonna alleviate so much suffering" POV
My reaction:
"Wait, who got shot? Really? Wow. So, what's for dinner?"
“oh, this is gonna alleviate so much suffering”
That's not how these things usually go. Quite the opposite.
I'm adding FAFOed to my lexicon
I haven't read about, and am not interested in the shooter.
My opinion is only that the world is better off without Charlie Kirk, nothing else at this point.
what/who you are and advocate for causes these things
"If someone tries to assassinate you, it's because you deserve it", in other words.
Seems like a pretty dangerous stance to take.
We hanged people at Nuremberg for doing exactly what Kirk made his whole career doing. That's the context that every discussion of Kirk's death should begin with.
I don't know. This is only going to cause MAGA to ramp up their fascism, and give them a better excuse to enact further violence on us, the citizens.
wHo CoUlD hAvE sEeN tHiS cOmInG?!?!
The ramp up was always going to happen anyway. Everyone knows that appeasement doesn't work on Nazis.
I can even see an argument in which he was killed by his own as a sacrificial lamb as there is no bottom in the depths of their depravity.
They didn't need this. They were going to do it regardless. They might use this as an excuse, sure, but it wont' be the reason.
Fascist do not "need" a reason to remove rights from people.
They need exactly zero excuse other than brown people existing to ramp up their fascism and enact violence on Americans.
Any politician that completely supports Trump is fair game at this point. Things will not return to normal by talking. If you dont wanna live in a dictatorship wake the fuck up. If you live in the US (i luckily dont) then learn how to use a gun, because its gonna get much much worse than the way it is right now.
Yes, as long as people are willing to resort to murder in support of their ideology.
How's this for dark humour?
I just have to ask, is it because another human being was shot or were you one of the people celebrating the death of Osama bin Laden?
Humor?
They're not really using humour. Americans are actually this fucked up. Have mercy.
I've now heard these things in reference to Americans from non-americans:
And now:
I'm not sure which you want anymore.
There's more than one person outside of America.
Right, and it being too violent to some and not violent enough to others is evidence that, in this regard, it is on neither extreme.
I understand that, but the people saying these things about Americans also speak like Americans are one person, and also I said non-americans so I thought that was implied. I didn't mean to say everyone outside of America is one person.
I'm 90% sure I've seen the commenter in question make point 1.
Big if true
"are you not entertained?!?"
I have mercy for those that aren't actively trying to harm and take advantage of those worse off than themselves.
The fascist and their enablers can eat a bullet so we can have a better tomorrow.
I mean, have mercy on Americans. Spare me the tough talk, I'm not impressed.
I'm not trying to impress you. Relax.