5d ago

Don't worry, it's definitely not genocide, China is just being a little 'authoritarian' towards the Uyghurs

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Is there truly nowhere else in the world where a severe drop in birthrates is happening? Is it truly only happening in China?
- The fastest we know of, and during a campaign where there are widespread reports of suppression of the local ethnicity, including forced sterilizations
  
  So the source is an Australian think-tank report written by a Cyber, Technology and security program analyst? And it's corroborated by Adrian Zenz of all peapole? Not the best of sources.
  
  If "we" is the UN (I dont consider myself part of them), which doesn't even report on Palestine's birth rates since the 90s because it doesnt recognize it as a state. Do you have any non-UN based sources? They are obviously western biased.
  Like, there's a lot of stuff happening why is this only a worry in China? America is experiencing a huge birth rate decline as well.
  
  If “we” is the UN (I dont consider myself part of them), which doesn’t even report on Palestine’s birth rates since the 90s because it doesnt recognize it as a state. Do you have any non-UN based sources? They are obviously western biased.
  Like, there’s a lot of stuff happening why is this only a worry in China? America is experiencing a huge birth rate decline as well.
  Jesus fucking Christ.
  
  The AP got their numbers from the UN. I'll take an Al Jazeera article, an Indian news article, literally anything orher than western media. Just to see that it's not a fed headline by western governments.
  Heres the US birth rates
  
  From 16.70 in 1990 to 11.00 in 2020 in the US. But cute attempt at misrepresentation with the graph.
  
  Please show me a better and more accurate graph than the one i provided, or is the one i provided valid and accurate?
  All i presented it as was a graph of the US birth rate. Where is my misrepresentation? I said "here is a graph". I would love to see your grapgh of the US birthrate that you believe is a better representation.
  My entire point is that a lot of places in this world right now is facing massive reductions in birth rates. This feels cherry picked to keep eyes away from western states' same exact problems. Maybe capitalism is causing it? But the capitalist states cant have that kind of reflection. No, its the ~~barbarians~~ Chinese! Which is why I asked for a non-western source. Show me a source from a latin american or south american organization. An asian one. Literally anything non western please.
  
  Buddy all graphs without y labelling is useless.
  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/7/china-policies-could-cut-millions-of-uighur-births-in-xinjiang
  You could have looked this up yourself, now you look dumb and lazy and any point you were trying to make looks the same.
  
  Buddy I asked for a better graph, but I literally linked the source of the graph.
  I don't care how I look on the internet, I know i'm no fascist I don't have to prove that to a bunch of 17 year old redditors who just learned about the word that i'm not a fascist 😂
  Listen I'm not trying to prove my point to you though so I don't really care if you agree with me or not. I just wanted to non western sources and you provided it, so thanks for that though. I looked and didn't see one. Again, don't care at all if you agree with me. Not what I sought from this exchange
  Heres a hint: Fascists dont ask for a wide variety of non western news sources. Fascists are nationalists. Blind patriotism for any nation is a fucking cancer.
  
  Seems like you are up for bat for China for no real reason.
  I'm not calling you a fascist or anything.
  Anyway, back to the topic. These effects were predicted and now we are seeing them.
  https://www.aljazeera.com/tag/uighur/
  Of course shit like this happens everywhere, there's things like redlining and gynecology malpractice against indigenous women in a few countries. But, we're not going to make a list and only talk about the "worst one" because that's ridiculous and we wouldn't be able to figure out which one is the worst one without talking about individual situations.
  
  Fuck off, fascist.
  
  "Show me your sources"
  "~~I don't have any~~ Fuck off fascist."
  Wonderful. Centrists are the most annoying kind of human on this planet.
  
  Already provided sources, fascist.
  
  No, but someone else did. You can call me a fascist all you want, I consider myself a socialist and a leftist, but I bet you consider yourself a liberal. I get it, everything you don't like is fascism, but I'm just skeptical of western news sources, as much as I am of chinese news sources. Whenever i see something anti chinese, I look for non western sources.
  Please learn to socialize better. This entire time i've just asked questions that literally supports everything I just said, and all you have done is acted offended and were defensive this entire time. Being asked questions isn't fascism.
  
  Right? What a stupid dumbo, graphs and sources are a clear sign of fascism. Watch out Excel users, we are coming for you next! The only bars you’ll see will be those in a cell.
  
  Using a graph to imply a drop by 80% when the drop is less than 35% is immensely misleading. Sorry that you see a graph and immediately assume whatever is implied is correct.
  
  Well well well, looks like we got ourselves some kind of math talkin’, pie charts speakin’ gringo here.
  Did they tell you this is Lemmyland? This ain’t no place for percentage lingo amigo, only feelings and vibes.
  You best be movin' on sourceboy or… well, let's just say you'll be sleepin' with the tankies. Capisce?

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