What's up with this straight up pro-china and pro-russia stuff on Lemmy lately?
What's up with this straight up pro-china and pro-russia stuff on Lemmy lately?
It's not even praising the people of China and Russia, but rather their gov directly.
Obviously the states have problems, and the EU to a lesser degree, but they at least have some human rights.
Is this some kind of organized disinformation campaign?
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Whilst everyone here is just disagreeing with you on basically all points OP, I have to agree. There have lately been a lot more weird memmes, often factualy inaccurate and providing no real argument, that support or defend the Chinese, Russian or North Korean government. I do not in any way agree with the sentiments of these memes but if people actually hold those opinions their free to discuss it, but I would wish that they didn't do it in the form of bad memes in the general use communities, but maybe instead in one of their own, as stuff generally works on Lemmy.
Also, a lot of the worst memes came from one single account. I have since blocked that one person and it improved the situation remarkably. And for anyone who wants to attack me for "not being able to stand hearing other people's opinions", the memes this person (or to be real, probably bot) posted were factualy incorrect, badly made and not funny in any way. I don't come to Lemmy for political discussion but for memes and other fun threads.
This is just about my personal opinions and doesn't effect anything I wrote above but here we go. Read if you want. Regarding the endorsements of China, Russia and North Korea my main problem is that I think democracy is the most important feature of a state for I think yhat the state should exist to serve it's people and to do so in a way that reflects the people's wills. Therefore, I have a really hard time supporting any non democratic state. Also, in regards to Russia, they invaded Ukraine! I have a very hard time having any empathy for a state that shows such violent aggression against one of their neighbours. Especially as I can not see how Russia or the rest of the world stands to gain anything from this war. Ofc North Korea and China have also done horrible things but I think have have gotten my point across at this point, I think democracy and free speech is important. That said, if someone can point to a particular part of, or some project of, some non democratic country that's working well and then say "hey, maybe we should try that", then I have no problem with that. But fully endorsing and saying that we should be like a, for example, China to me is a absolutely horrible idea.
Also, because people will claim that I did even though I didn't say a shit about it, I do not either particularly like the US. What I said about democracy and not invading other countries applies to them to. I'm also not from the US but rather from Sweden in the EU
EDIT: after reading even more of this thread I think I'm starting to understand that many people just support Russia and China because there a counterweight to the US. For me this could maybe be a valid argument for supporting some of what China does but it does not for me mean that I can endorse China and their non democracy leadership and darker sides. Things simply don't add up for me, I can't support China because the US shouldn't get to powerful because China should neither have that power.
I have a really hard time supporting any non democratic state.
And China is a democratic state, unless you're just using "democratic" here as a code-word for "western capitalist", which I'm guessing you are.
I have a very hard time having any empathy for a state that shows such violent aggression against one of their neighbours.
Yeah! That aggression should be shown to countries far away, in the Global South! Invading countries on other continents is fine, just not your own...
I think democracy and free speech is important.
Which is why I will support the enemies of the countries with the greatest history of overthrowing democratic governments, supporting dictatorships, violently suppressing opposition, and murdering journalists. Those countries being the USA and the EU members.
But fully endorsing and saying that we should be like a, for example, China to me is a absolutely horrible idea.
Why? Do they not bomb enough countries for you? Are you horrified to see a country where people are better off each year rather than worse?
I’m also not from the US but rather from Sweden in the EU
And the EU is just as fucking bad as the USA.
China and their non democracy leadership
They are a Democracy, you chauvinist, certainly as much as the West is. You just mean they aren't western capitalists.
US shouldn’t get to powerful because China should neither have that power.
The US has gotten to powerful, and it's done far more heinous shit than China ever did. This is peak example of westerners being terrified of non-westerner having power because they assume they'll be as abusive with it as you have.
Thanks for actually reading my comment and replying in a calm and friendly matter. However, I'm not interested in having a political discussion here, but I have indeed read your reply (:
I'm not interested in having a political discussion here
you commented in a thread about politics, but dont want to have a discussion about it...
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Who thinks the EU is AS Bad AS the current USA is completly disconnected from the reality imho.
The EU is subservient to the US, and acts in lock-step. The US has more influence, but the EU depends on imperialism just as much.
USA isn't imperialist anymore, they are clearly facist.
Eu is far from good, but also not facist yet. Even Hungary and Italy, which are clearly the worst in the EU are not even close to the shitshow of us Since 2016.
Eu still has international rights, EU still has right for asylum EU still has free speech, EU still has sent have kidnappings by state actors, EU still has freedom of press, EU still acknowledges climate change and tries to fight it.
Do I think EU is good? No! Do I think they do enough to protect those things? No! Do I think one should fight for the EU or defend it? No!
Do I think anyone saying EU and murica are just as bad has a smooth brain and clearly never watched news fr 10years? Yes!
Saying facism is the same as capitalism doesn't acknowledge the new quality the system has.
Its like saying there is no difference between Marx, Stalin and Kim jong un, because they are all socialists and depend on cultural hegemony.
You only seeing black and white and no grey proves my point...
I don't think you know what imperialism is if you think the US isn't imperialist. US imperialism is well-documented, it's the world's largest empire. The US uses its vast financial capital to dominate the global south and expropriate vast sums of wealth, being fascist isn't at all incompatible with imperialism.
Further, the EU doesn't respect international rights, doesn't have free speech, does disappear political opponents, etc. The only point I partially agree with is that the EU acknowledges climate change, though it doesn't take it as seriously as the PRC does. The EU still practices the same process of using financial capital to dominate and super-exploit the global south for super-profits.
Fascism is not distinct from capitalism, it's capitalism in crisis. It isn't the same as liberalism, but both are linked.
Marx, Stalin, and Kim Jong-Un are all socialists, sure, but none depend on "cultural hegemony," whatever that means, and all are different people that live in different times, contexts, and countries.
I don't only see in black and white, I have tried to explain the nuances of Marxist-Leninist perspectives, and again you strawman, caricaturize, and now even deny the US as an empire. Fundamentally you don't know what you're talking about, I suggest you take a step back and read.
Eu still has international rights
Literally helping commit a modern Holocaust.
Only if you don't consider Palestinians human, which most Europeans don't.
Hahaha you have so utterly and totally lost connection to reality...
Even in Germany (one of the most pro Israel countries in the eu) there are daily demonstrations against the Gaza genocide, the international court has issued sanctions against Israel, planes are flying meds and food to Gaza...
Have you ever been to Europe?
Have you ever talked with people there?
Hahaha you have so utterly and totally lost connection to reality…
Good start with the lazy insults.
Even in Germany (one of the most pro Israel countries in the eu) there are daily demonstrations against the Gaza genocide
And the government continues to crack down on it, while supporting the genocide unabated.
the international court has issued sanctions against Israel,
No it hasn't. You're just straight up lying, lol.
planes are flying meds and food to Gaza…
No they aren't! Why are you just straight up lying!
Have you ever been to Europe?
Have you been to Gaza? Ooooh wait, they aren't human like people in Europe, so they don't matter.
planes are flying meds and food to Gaza…
No they aren’t! Why are you just straight up lying!
They are airdopping tiny amounts of aid and straight up killing people with it at times [1][2]
Quoting the guy who died from another airdrop shortly after:
" "This isn't aid delivery," said the 32-year-old medic as a crowd of children rummaged through the remains of an airdrop behind him. "This is humiliation.""
Even in Germany (one of the most pro Israel countries in the eu) there are daily demonstrations against the Gaza genocide And the government continues to crack down on it, while supporting the genocide unabated.
Yeah cause the working class living in a country and the people in power are totally the same thing. If the government cracks down on protests it must mean that the people protesting must agree with there government /s
Whack argument
the international court has issued sanctions against Israel,
No it hasn't. You're just straight up lying, lol.
First: https://www.icj-cij.org/case/196 Second: if someone says something you don't agree with the MUST be lying. There is no such thing as having different sources or being mistaken - all people are always acting in bad faith, you are the only good person on the planet /s
planes are flying meds and food to Gaza…
No they aren't! Why are you just straight up lying!
https://www.zdfheute.de/politik/ausland/luftbruecke-gaza-bundeswehr-israel-nahost-100.html
Yeah sure, again I must be lying with bad intentions, can't be that your not informed properly - must be me acting in bad faith
Have you ever been to Europe?
Have you been to Gaza? Ooooh wait, they aren't human like people in Europe, so they don't matter.
You call me out for lazy shittalk (point given) And than to this, your so clearly better, just don't answer questions, don't offer sources, verbal abuse people disagreeing with you and assuming they hate people - you are such a knight in white armor
I wasn't to Gaza, I've only watched primary sources who were (al jazira, jung & naiv, bbc, etc.) but at least I don't think I can look into their heads like you do with Europeans.
You will not catch me saying "people in Gaza just don't think Israels are not humans" While you do exactly that with Europeans.
Arguing with people on hexvear and ml is always such a waste of time -.-
Useful idiot... A classic German behaviour when a genocide is happening.
There is ton of videos of those protests getting crushed by the police state of germany
Icj only issued sanctions on some israeli leaders not the same as sanctionning the state of israel
Air drop is dangerous and condemned by human right orgs.The major western countries need to force israel to let aid goes by trucks with no restrictions or face sanctions a la rusdis and iran or even cuba
Whilst
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