2d ago

They've got a point!

Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it's not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#20th_century

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2d ago

They've got a point!

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You could choose to be neither.
Participating in culture wars manufactured to drive social-media-engagement isn't obligatory.
- Nope. One side are Nazis, dude. If you're not opposed to fascism, got some bad news for you...
  
  I guess the idea is that if you're spending all your energy being anti-MAGA then you aren't focussing on the real struggle (class warfare). But of course one can focus on class warfare while still being anti-MAGA.
  
  I absolutely agree. And, the shit part of it all? It's been going on for pretty much all of recorded history (class warfare, that is).
  Edit: To clarify my position a little, I see choosing MAGA as willfully submitting to the parasitic "elites".
  
  tbh I kind of see both of the US parties as submitting to parasitic elites. I think MAGA is much worse for other reasons though.
  
  Well, I agree. However, I do not think opposing MAGA in any way implies supporting Democrats.
  
  "MAGAt" works, too, FWIW
  
  what does the small t stand for?
  
  just to lend MAGA the sound of "maggot"
  
  oh. Eh, they didn't need to change "woke" to make it a bad word, so I just use MAGA as-is derogatorily.
  
  Bonus Points! That li'l "t" can be voiced with just breath alone as a "swallowed" or "glottal" fricative, (like the S. London "innit", etc.) for added & effortless effect whenever thinking/reading "MAGA" — aloud or to yourself. It works every time.
  Every single MAGA idiot = MAGAt. There are many, many kinds, colors, stripes, shapes, sizes, etc. They're all maggots, though. And they might be known for devouring mountains of shit by the throatful, but they'll eat you too without hesitation.
  Secondly, though? Let's do us all a favor and not use anything they do as a model of rational, much less good practices, hmm?
  "They" didn't change "woke" because "they" don't change fuck all. Their minders tell them what to scream & froth over, and their psyops' flipping of "woke" is to target anything that doesn't come directly outta their Führder's prolapsed Putin-holes. Full stop.
  
  Seems kinda naïve to view it that way. Even trump-hating centrists use the word "woke" negatively these days. I'm not saying they're rational, I'm just saying you have to take the threat seriously.
  
  Oh, I take it incredibly seriously, as indicated by how wistfully nonchalant my suggestions are.
  Almost as if a fascist political party funded by the data & power barons that puppet the species has weaponized an originally Black American term to be incendiary against any topic they feel like — and there's fuck & all any of us can do about it. 😅
  So, jokes it is. Gallows humor wins out sometimes, right? 🤷🏼‍♂️ Why, what you got on that plan?
  
  Cool fallacy & us-them/with-us-or-against-us bias, bro.
  Do we need our reading checked? Choosing neither (as they wrote) doesn't mean choosing fascism: it can still be opposed.
  
  Oh boo hoo.
  Have fun in your Nazi bar
  
  Have fun reinforcing fallacies & calling everyone who calls them out a nazi to achieve that optimal circlejerk. Self-confirmation bias is quite a rush.
  
  I have no idea what the hell you're even on about, dude.
  But, no, if you do not oppose fascism, then you damn well do enable it. Whether you likes this or not doesn't change the fact that it's true. So go whine about your your moral high ground or where the hell you're on about as much as you want.
  But since you are honestly sounding like you are attempting to defend fascism, I'm going to go ahead and permanently ignore your dumbass now...
  
  I have no idea what the hell you’re even on about, dude.
  That's called illiteracy. Please learn to read & comprehend reading. Maybe look shit up or crack open a book or just look at the words written in the comments carefully: where did anyone claim to defend fascism?
  Just another illiterate narcissist confirming why woke has a bad reputation.
  
  Who've been the most successful opponents of fascists historically?
  And who've lost their countries to fascists?
  
  what are you saying? because it reads like you think nazis are anti-fascist which is WILDLY out of pocket so i'm sure you're trying to say something else, it's just not clear what
  
  Who has historically defeated fascists?
  I don't think that's a hard question to understand.
  
  woke folk. but you're out here saying being woke is neither good nor bad. so… what are you saying?
  
  when did woke folk bayt Nazis?
  
  nazi germany doesn't get overthrown without resistance movements working tirelessly to fight for their rights back. french resistance, german resistance, italian anti-fascists, polish resistance, jewish resistance, and ukrainians who chose to liberate the concentration camps rather than make use of an opportunity to seek independence from moscow were all critical to allied victory in europe in 1945. and as is often the case in history, as soon as that was done, other oppressive forces such as stalin and the liberals of western europe sold out these freedom fighters installing a new world order of oppression. but we've continued working to get our liberation. you can discount our historical contributions all you want. it doesn't change the fact that the world only gets better when people who know the world is fucked work to get it unfucked.
  
  french resistance, german resistance, italian anti-fascists, polish resistance, jewish resistance, and ukrainians who....
  Right. Groups totally unrelated to the 'woke' thingy people are talking about in this thread e.g. here and here
  It's not like we're going to learn anything useful about leftism from the USA. They've done nothing but ratchet their country rightward for decades.
  
  underpants weevil has the context for the word wrong and playing to that doesn't prove your point the way you think it does. woke, as a term, belongs to the Black community, one of the, on the whole, most left leaning demographics out there. the term comes from a group that has been saying for 300 years that oppression anywhere represents oppression everywhere. it's a anti-colonial, non-national term. people fighting oppression are woke. people fighting on behalf of oppressors are not woke. don't use a nation's government as proof there's no leftist thought going on there, that's some ignorant divisive thinking that will prevent you from building the kinds of coalition you need to fight oppression. it seems like all of this comes down to that you've accepted the conservative rebranding of woke rather than taking the time to understand what it really means and help us reconnotate in order to resist this fascist takeover of language. the powers that be have the power to redenotate words and create newspeak, but we have the power of connotation. don't give them what they want like what you're doing
  
  woke, as a term, belongs to the Black community
  Which black community?
- That's a shit argument that casts aside billions of human beings and their rights as such. And your follow-up is even more trolly? Fuck off.
- "Choosing to be neither" is choosing to be an ignorant twat but too afraid to own up to it.
  
  👆This👆 is how they view the entire non-hegemonic wprld. They admit it.
  
  Or, I understand that there's no neutral position when the options are freedom or oppression. If you're ok with oppression, you're not a neutral observer, you're a supporter of oppression.
  If you're ok with it, at least have the stones to admit it instead of pretending you're neutral.
  
  Doesn't really apply to a flame war tho.
  The right know they can't win the economic argument. Everyone's purchasing power is going down and living standards are stagnating.
  That's why they push the 'woke' stuff and divide the workers. It's common sense. Why else would right-wing platforms like Google,Facebook,Newscorp be plastered with this "no neutral! You have to pick a side!" shite?
  
  Doesn't really apply to a flame war tho.
  I'm not talking about flame wars, I'm talking about real world shit. You know, the shit that's actually behind the behaviors they call 'woke' to try to get people to stop doing.
  The right know they can't win the economic argument. Everyone's purchasing power is going down and living standards are stagnating
  Yep, and they use the 'woke' shit to make people be ok with worsening conditions because wanting to be treated like a real person is 'woke'
  That's why they push the 'woke' stuff and divide the workers
  People push the 'woke' shit because it's a thought terminating cliche that allows ignorant twats to not think about why they're actually being awful to people or supporting people destroying innocent peoples' lives
  Why else would right-wing platforms like Google,Facebook,Newscorp be plastered with this "no neutral! You have to pick a side!" shite?
  What? They push the 'woke narrative' bullshit, or actively support the oppressors. If anything, they take the neutral position so they don't have to justify supporting oppression when they can pretend to be neutral.
  
  What? They push the woke bullshit, or actively support the oppressors. If anything, they take the neutral position so they don't have to justify supporting oppression when they can pretend to be neutral.
  i was gonna say something to this effect. big tech firms aren't pushing woke anything. they're the most anti-woke shit out there. they want us isolated and divided so we never learn our true power as a populace. if this poster keeps drilling down this insane "woke people are just as ignorant as fascists" bullshit i'm going to block them because their entire argument hinges on assuming white usage of a Black term is correct when it is overtly and intentionally incorrect.
  but what else would i expect from a .ml poster. it's always performative leftist outrage trying to shut down anti-authoritarian thought rather than contributing anything meaningful or useful.
  
  big tech firms aren't pushing woke anything. they're the most anti-woke shit out there.
  Yeah, I was meaning more the 'woke narrative' shit. The tech firms are working hand in glove with conservatives to push the narratives that get ignorant twats all riled up about 'wokeness'. I updated that part for clarity.

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