Activists say Israeli troops have boarded aid ship bound for Gaza
Activists say Israeli troops have boarded aid ship bound for Gaza
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Israel seizes Gaza-bound activist boat and detains Greta Thunberg
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Do y'all reckon the Israeli Navy is actually going to kill Greta?
My guess is that somebody will choke first in this game of chicken. Hopefully it's the Israeli military.
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This is an easy PR win. Treat them kindly, send them on their way home, no harm no foul. Then go back to committing genocide.
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No, this is what will realistically happen:
- They'll intercept the boat
- They'll haul it to a nearby Israeli port (like the port of Ashdod)
- They'll detain and question the people on board for a bit to confirm their identities
- They'll call their respective embassies in Israel
- They'll have them either released to the embassies or directly deported to their countries
And that would be the end of it.
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And 6. The aid that was meant for the starving children of Gaza will be stolen, destroyed, or left to rot in some warehouse.
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The aid is just symbolic. Gaza has 2 million people, a single small sailboat worth of partial cargo isn't enough to even be considered a drop in the bucket. The only real way humanitarian aid can make a difference is if Israel and Egypt allow hundreds of tucks in daily.
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And it's destruction will also be symbolic.
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Well, I guess it has utility because we're talking about it. It's expensive but I don't really think there's much else that can be done other than state level actors putting a stop to it. Or like a reverse crusade where freeing Palestine from Israel is the goal, need a leader for that.
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Well, I guess it has utility because we’re talking about it.
I guess, but at the same time this has been the most talked about international conflict of this decade so they're bringing attention to a thing that is already receiving a lot of attention.
I don’t really think there’s much else that can be done other than state level actors putting a stop to it. Or like a reverse crusade where freeing Palestine from Israel is the goal, need a leader for that.
Force is not going to end this catastrophe. First of all nobody wants to get directly involved, especially on the side of the Palestinians, but even if they did, Israel is quite strong. Arab coalitions in the past tried to do just this and they weren't successful.
The only way for this conflict to actually end is for Israel to end it, and the only way this can happen is if Netanyahu and his coalition get ousted from government. He should've been in prison decades ago, but it's very likely he will be once this war ends which is likely why he doesn't want to end it. Regardless, if this government doesn't collapse soon, then we will have to wait until the next general Israeli elections on Oct 27th, 2026. Either Netanyahu's coalition ends the war themselves to try to win back the public before the elections or the opposing coalition is going to end it right after they win.
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That's fucking awful, but I think you're accurate.
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I'm not sure what you're basing your predictions on. Have you studied what they've done to similar vessels in the past? I know of only two, the raid in 2010, where they killed 9 people, and the the one earlier this year, where they shot at the ship with two drones. That's fairly limited, but quite a far cry from your predictions.
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This is actually based on what they did in during the 2010 incident. At the same there 6 boats, not one like this time. 3 of the boats at the time were for cargo and 3 were for passengers. 5 of the boats that were intercepted went through what I described above, but the last one was the one you're talking about. It was one of the passenger boats, it has 590 passengers on board. Of these passengers, 40 or so of them refused to cooperate with the Israeli soldiers on board and some started attacking them. This resulted in the Israeli soldiers killing 9, a 10th one died 4 years later due to related injuries, and injured a dozens more. At the same time the activists injured 10 Israeli soldiers, including one that was in serious condition. Even then, the rest of the passengers were still released after the incident.
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So I don't really see how you go from seeing Israel kill 10 passengers to your 6 point prediction. I'm not saying you're wrong, but considering we're dealing with the modern day equivalent of nazis who seem to enjoy support from most western governments, I find more grim scenarios equally likely.
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I mean we have to go based on the evidence that we have, right? We can't make up scenarios and pretend they're reality when they're not. In this case, Israel radioed the boat to change course to the port of Ashdod and informed the activists that maritime traffic is closed. After that the boat has been intercepted. That's all we know thus far. Beyond this point, it's just speculation. I'm saying that based on the history of these incidents, the intercepted boats do actually get routed to the port Ashdod, and then from there the activists are taken into custody until Israeli authorities contact their respective embassies who will help organize their release.
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Exactly! So it doesn't make sense to have this whole detailed prediction which resembles nothing that's ever happened before. That's all I'm saying.
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Okay, so actually we now know how the situation has and will unfold so there's no need to speculate.
As it turns out, the boat was actually routed to the port of Ashdod. All 12 activists are fine and they're currently being detained in a facility nearby after undergoing medical checks. They're going to stay there until they get deported to their respective countries.
Israel claims that the aid that was on bored will get sent to Gaza through established channels, but whether that will happen is questionable. Also Israel also said that they're apparently going to make the activists watch videos of the Oct 7th terrorist attacks before deporting them.
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At this point, I think Israel is capable of anything, including the most abhorrent human rights violations imaginable.
For the rest of my life, I will view Israel through the same lens as I view Nazi Germany. They are two sides of the same coin.
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If they do, .world is where the party is gonna be.
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Huh? How do you figure that?
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Most of the lemmy users who spent the last year of the biden presidency shouting abuse at people who opposed genocide are on .world
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.world is pretty unanimous on opposing genocide. How do you define "shouting abuse at people who opposed genocide."
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Here, watch. The biden administration had no business selling weapons to netanyahu when it became clear that they were being used to commit genocide.
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Completely agree, and would like to add:
With all of the info coming out about Biden basically being puppet-stringed through those last few years, I think it’s safe to say anything he “approved” was basically putting a stamp in a sleeping person’s hand and using their arm to stamp the paper.
Soooo…..who ACTUALLY called the shots, made the plans, etc, with regard to Israel policy?
That’s what I wanna know, like, yesterday.
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Well yeah. Pretty much everybody agrees that Biden didn't help, allowed the weapon supply to continue. Trump is worse. Kamala would have been better but not good. I don't think any of this is particulary controversial. The election wasn't really about the Democrats being better, they just suck less.
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Pretty much everybody agrees that Biden didn't help, allowed the weapon supply to continue.
Not on .world.
Trump is worse.
Yeah, no shit.
Kamala would have been better but not good.
She literally said she didn't differ from biden on the issue.
I don't think any of this is particulary controversial.
It was on .world. And now you're pretending otherwise.
The election wasn't really about the Democrats being better, they just suck less.
Gloat more that there is no anti-genocide party.
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Yes, yes. We've already moved past the Democrats sucking.
You think I'm gloating? You think .world is full of people that support what's happening in Palestine?
That's pretty far from reality as I'm experiencing it. You do seem to be trying to goad me, which is cute.
So, do you really believe that .world is like full of a bunch of fascists or pro-genocide types or whatever?
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You think I'm gloating?
Yes.
You think .world is full of people that support what's happening in Palestine?
I think they have a higher percentage than any other instance.
That's pretty far from reality as I'm experiencing it.
If you don't speak out against genocide, you don't see how genocide supporters react to it.
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What do you think I'm gloating about?
I don't support genocide other than in that arbitrary way we all do by purchasing goods and services sourced from a global economy.
You seem to be seeing things very black and white when it comes to people. In this case, as regards to people that use .world.
You do realize that black and white thinking is probably the biggest factor that leads to genocide?
This is true for the people that actually perform the genocide and support it. I.E. powerful people manipulate media and propagandize everyday folks until they hate that other group of people and want them dead and then go out and kill their fellow man over that difference.
Like, I can draw a direct line between your behaviour and the behaviour of those on the far right. You're making an entire group "The Other.
We all know where that leads when we let the powerful program our thinking.
Straight up, what you're saying here makes you sound like either a troll or a propagandized true believer.
I'm not trying to be insulting but I am being blunt. You should really think about where you're getting your facts and opinions.
I'm straight up telling you that something you're consuming is lying to you and warping your perceptions of your fellow people.
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