Activists say Israeli troops have boarded aid ship bound for Gaza
Activists say Israeli troops have boarded aid ship bound for Gaza
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It is almost 20 months since Israel launched a military campaign in Gaza in response to the unprecedented Hamas-led cross-border attack on Israel on 7 October 2023
It is almost 20 months since the US-backed colonial occupation launched its extermination campaign in Gaza in response to the ghetto uprising on 7 October 2023
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I cringe every time I read “the war in Gaza”. It is clearly a genocide. There is no way one could say otherwise, in good faith. The fact that my tax dollars are funding this sickens me.
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Been going on a lot longer than that...
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The Oct 7 terrorist attacks weren't ghetto uprising. They weren't spontaneous, grassroots, or widespread. They were premeditated terrorist attacks by specific terrorist groups to cause as much harm as they could to the nearby Israeli population. The first and second intifadas could be argued as ghetto uprisings, this is nothing like that.
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I suspect Hamas took a page out of Bin Laden's playbook, and expected Oct 7 to invite an extreme reaction, the same way Sept 11 drew America into two decades of war, thousands of deaths, and trillions of dollars.
America will never recover from 9/11, and Israel will never recover from 10/7, no matter how many Muslims they murder.
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I suspect Hamas took a page out of Bin Laden’s playbook, and expected Oct 7 to invite an extreme reaction, the same way Sept 11 drew America into two decades of war, thousands of deaths, and trillions of dollars.
I don't think Bin Laden predicted America's reaction to 9/11, most of the world, including Americans didn't either. I also don't think Hamas has the capacity to be this strategic. I think it really is as simple as it was. They planned a bunch of terrorist attacks to cause as much harm and damage as possible to Israel and Israelis, and then take a bunch of civilians hostage to escape the consequences that would ensue. I think Hamas banked on Israel's history of giving up a lot to retrieve their hostages to sign a ceasefire right after the attacks and get the hostages back. They probably didn't expect Israel to ditch the hostages and start bombing Gaza into oblivion like this.
America will never recover from 9/11, and Israel will never recover from 10/7, no matter how many Muslims they murder.
Countries will always recover from tragedy. If Japan can recover after being burned down and nuked, if Poland can recover from a century of Nazi and Soviet occupation, if China can recover from the worst famine in history, then countries can recover from terrorist attacks and their aftermath.
Though I agree with you that trying to wipe out terrorist groups with force is futile. You can't erase ideologies with violence. What America did and Israel is doing now is playing a futile game of whackomole where the only thing they end up achieving is killing a lot of innocent people and throwing obscene amounts of money down the drain.
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hey look another genocide apologist
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I was about to say hey, they're being sarcastic. Then I checked their comment history
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Tell me… how many civilians did the Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto murder? Was the IDF transporting trainloads of Civilians from Gaza to extermination camps?
It’s necessary to call out „Bibi“ and his friends and get them far away from any kind of power asap and forever. Also a whole lot of IDF troops (just like any like-to-be religious facists from the government) should get an „invitation“ to The Hague.
But comparing the massacre from October 7th to the Warsaw ghetto uprising is just ridiculous.
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Israel didn't need to put them on trains to extermination camps, they just turned the entirety of Gaza into an extermination camp.
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The Nazis built literal murder-factories. The only purpose of those buildings was to murder as many people as possible and dispose of the bodies fast and efficiently. They tried to catch everyone that fit their definition of so called „unworthy life“ from all over Europe and brought them to their extermination camps to murder them. This is not what happened in Gaza before October 7th and it’s not what’s happening there now.
Even if half the stuff I read about Gaza was made up, there would be still more than enough reason to put Bibi and his goons behind bars forever. I think it’s necessary to be as precise and accurate as possible when talking about these kind of crimes because the truth is horrible enough without spicing it up with history-forgotten comparisons.
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It's not far off. They're absolutely trying to kill all of Gaza at once. There's a reason they're repeatedly attacking anyone who brings food, including World Central Kitchen.
You're aware of the food traps, right?
They absolutely will not allow Greta to bring aid to Gaza. They'd kill her if the PR wasn't so bad.
Unlike a lot of the Gaza sympathizers, I do not excuse Oct 7th. It was an attack on Israel. It was not justified. Israel has a right to defend itself.
This isn't defense. This is genocide. They're trying to solve the problem permanently by killing nearly every last one of them. It's a Final Solution.
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Murdering turture and rape all happen in israeli jails
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They had complete control over the lives of people in Gaza to the point of calorie counting how much food was allowed in.
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Was the IDF transporting trainloads of Civilians from Gaza to extermination camps?
They didn't need to, their victims are already in the concentration camp, they just dumped unlimited amounts of US-made bombs gifted to them by their colonial patrons.
Also a whole lot of IDF troops (just like any like-to-be religious facists from the government) should get an „invitation“ to The Hague.
At this point every American politician acting on behalf of this should need to get tried for complicity as well.
This was a ghetto uprising, sickening that you feel the need to defend their executioners. The "murder factories" are on American soil, no need to ship people on trains, the colonists will happily deliver the US-made bombs to their victims.
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Do we consider the armed German settlers living around the ghetto in a foreign country civilians? I mean they brought their own children to help colonize their new living space.
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Would you be less supportive of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising if they did kill more civilians in Nazi Germany?
In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video
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Feddit.org users again trying to act like they care about palestinians. You are ignoring the fact that every single goddamn israeli government was oppresing palestinians and comiting act of terrorism
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20 months since Palestine attacked Israel setting off a war.
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Palestinians retaliating for israel oppresing them . Israel should just get the hell out of palestine
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This is the very home of millions of people, and the radical view you are expressing doesn't even let the chance of their existence where they have lived and coexisted (sic.: long before establishing their own state as an independent country!).
What you're suggesting is not a fair nor constructive solution, but a populist motto for an endless war (and chaos) with hateful rhetorics.
So... not much has unfortunately changed since when, 1948? I think, even before that no partitioning plan by the UN has been accepted (hence the resulting wars).
/ It takes two to tango.
But: haters gonna hate.
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That was not a ghetto uprising, that was unchecked violence against Israeli civilians by terrorists. You do Gaza's suffering civilians no justice by tying their plight to the actions of Hamas on Oct 7. Their only crime is existing.
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not interested in your respectability politics shit, the American enablers have contributed far more to the suffering civilians than Hamas ever has by resisting their extermination.
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Not interested in your bullshit takes that would only incite more violence against the Gaza civilians by painting Oct 7 as a popular uprising.
Honestly think before you speak if you actually care about these people.
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Learn the history of Israel’s illegal occupation and siege before demonizing the resistance
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the history starts before 1948.
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the history starts before 1948.
20 months since Palestine attacked Israel setting off a war.
which is it? It's almost like you're just another westerner defending a genocide via selective reading of history
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It started by foreigner wanting to force a state on local people
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They are NOT resisting, these are innocent civilians... I don't give a shit about Hamas I'm talking about women and children dying in Gaza. How is there disagreement on this basic acknowledgement of reality?
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Israel is committing a genocide, as all settler colonial states eventually do, no disagreement there.
The disagreement is over whether Palestinians have a right to resist settler colonialism and forced displacement. International law and natural law says they do, it is obvious, but people who live in settler colonial states that were successful in eradicating the indigenous population won’t make that inconvenient admission.
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So the Palestinian men can just die off I guess. According to you
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No but these people are so dense that i have to spell it out like that so they understand the difference I'm drawing between Hamas/combatants/uprising vs. women and children living peacefully in their homes and not harming anyone on this planet but still getting bombs dropped on their heads. But still it's on deaf ears.
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Women can also revolt too, no?
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does revolt mean crossing a border in force during a time of peace and then slaughtering over 1000 people?
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Fluxion makes the distinction between Hamas and women/children. Surely women have contributed to the rebellion efforts. I'm not sure it's so black and white like that. I wanted to point that out since they seemed misogynistic about it.
Revolt absolutely means that. But a revolt is only a revolt if there exists an overwhelming oppression that makes people want to resist.
And that is absolutely the case, starting in 1946 when Jewish people started dominating Palestinians. There have been hundreds of October 7ths since then. 57,000+ Palestinians have perished to date since 2025/10/7 due to Israel's maximal racism and bloodlust.
Also, Palestine was not in peace. Hell, the West Bank of Israel wasn't in peace. The only peace was felt by one side, which undermines the entire idea. Peace means no oppression, no war for both sides. That has never been true for Palestinians while Israel has occupied their land.
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Apartheid is not peace
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Time of peace? there was no time of peace since 48
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Hey here comes the comfortable westerner to tell everyone what they think is bad optics.
This genocide could never happen without the Biden and Trumps full support. Hand-wrining about "terrorism" only serves defending the perpetrators while posing like you care about victims.
Sickening behavior really, but I'm used to it by now. American soldiers are terrorists, IDF are terrorists.
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This genocide could never happen without the Biden and Trumps full support
I mean... No. This has been happening for 80+ fucking years and Israel would be doing it with or without US support.
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They would certainly be trying, but it's a lot harder to exterminate a captive population when you aren't getting supplied a whole arsenal to do so.
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Ok... So a bit different than "it could never happen"
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This genocide could never happen without the American uniparty shitheads enabling it for decades.
Ok… So a bit different than “it would never happen”
I said:
This genocide could never happen without the Biden and Trumps full support
Without their support it would be a different one, maybe get better at reading or something
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Without their support it would be a different one, maybe get better at reading or something
Without US support, Israel would be genociding... who, exactly? What 'different' genocide would it be, if not the genocide that's been going on since 1948, long before US aid was a major factor?
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late to the party pugjesus
it would be different because the conditions would be different, they would be needing to buy their own thousand pound bombs, protect their own shipping lanes and collect their own intelligence.
with US support every step of the way they are able to ignore pressure from the rest of the world and have been absolutely depraved as a result
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They would certainly be trying, but it’s a lot harder to exterminate a captive population when you aren’t getting supplied a whole arsenal to do so.
Yes, I'm sure that captive populations aren't regularly exterminated without the backing of major MICs.
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can you elaborate? you have a double negative in there and it's hard for me to tell what you're trying to say. is this your attempt at sarcasm?
my position is that it's harder to do a genocide if you're not being given unlimited weapons and political and military support from the world hegemon. do you disagree?
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But at least we got to be complicit like republicans and centrist democrats want.
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It's not about bad optics, you are literally doing what Israel is doing by equating Gaza civilians as "combatants" and thus making them targets. These people had nothing to do with Oct 7 I'm talking about little children and doctors and mothers and teachers and you're on about this fucking freedom fighter uprising bullshit because you're more concerned with justifying violence against Israel than caring about how many kids get bombed and starve to death in Gaza.
Fuck that bullshit.
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You are the one making excuses for the occupation by calling their victims terrorists. A ghetto uprising describes the conditions accurately. You are the one doing the work of Israel by pretending that they have ever discriminated between 'combatants' and everyone else.
I guess feigning moral superiority must be how you sleep at night after a long day of jorkin it to Ukraine war killcams or whatever it is you weirdos do for fun.
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I see, we are on 2 different topics here.
Have fun justifying Oct 7. I'll pass on that bullshit.
I'm talking about the genocide in Gaza today, where 50,000 who had nothing to do with Oct 7 or any sort of "uprising" whatsoever have been killed.
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It is a ghetto uprising. Israel before the genocide used to calorie count the food allowed in.
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Palestinians retaliating against israel terrorism for 57 years
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Wtf?
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don't you dare try to use logic here!
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Do you deny the genocide in Gaza?
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