Mullvad or Proton VPN?
Mullvad or Proton VPN?
Well, just that. Wich is stronger against trackers, hackers and doxxing threats? Proton VPN (I'm using this one actually), or Mullvad VPN?
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Mullvad hasn’t yet shown themselves fed- friendly.
Proton has.
Mullvad is the answer.
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Source please, we in the /privacy community genuinely want to learn so when such things do happen, we all benefit from factual information. Please do not assume we all know what you are referring to. It is particularly in this kind of cases when, for example with Signal what was "shared" with authorities is basically irrelevant, cf https://signal.org/bigbrother/ so we must be precise.
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Proton has cooperated with subpoenas on multiple occasions leading to the user’s arrest.
While they may challenge them, the point is that they have cooperated and thus are not reliable. There are no reported cases of Mullvad doing the same.
There are ample links from multiple sources that describe this with a simple search.
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Interesting, thanks.
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To be fair, if your safety depends on whether a particular company cooperates with authorities, you'd better rethink your OPSEC.
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Proton has cooperated with subpoenas on multiple occasions leading to the user’s arrest.
My thinking is, if the CIA (or whatever country's equivalent) is on to you, it's pretty much jover.
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Please do provide a link, especially if it's very easy to find. I'm not saying anything you say is wrong, only that if it's not an opinion, then a link from a trusted source helps other to understand the situation.
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It's a somewhat convoluted story. Here are some links
- https://proton.me/blog/climate-activist-arrest
- https://old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/ydcek3/what_became_of_the_french_climate_activist/
- https://www.wired.com/story/protonmail-amends-policy-after-giving-up-activists-data/
The takeaway is when he logged into his Protonmail they logged his IP address which helped track this individual down. But note that Reddit thread I linked. I also cannot find that much information about "what happened next," or the details of who was arrested and why.
There may be other examples, but this particular case kinda hit the rounds back when it happened.
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When did Proton show themselves fed-friendly? Also what "fed" are we talking about? The Swiss Federation?
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I guess he's referring to this
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Proton's statement from the linked article
"We are aware of the Spanish terrorism case involving alleged threats to the King of Spain, but as a general rule, we do not comment on specific cases. Proton has minimal user information, as illustrated by the fact that in this case, data obtained from Apple was used to identify the terrorism suspect. Proton provides privacy by default and not anonymity by default because anonymity requires certain user actions to ensure proper OPSEC, such as not adding your Apple account as an optional recovery method."
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