Want happier employees? Start with a 32-hour workweek – and 4 weeks vacation.
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32hr workweek as a transition period down to 24 or even 20. 4 weeks PTO for new hires or something, add 2 weeks per year up to like 8 or 10, or even 12?
Fuck capitalism.
That's how I sounded like before I got married and became a father. Now I want to be CFO instead. Funny how that goes.
Bless capitalism
If you're implying you want to spend as much time away from your family as possible, you could just get a divorce. Wouldn't have to sell all your life to shareholders then.
I got 5 evenings and 2 days on the weekend, it's plenty
congratulations. go back to work.
i'm sure dedicating your entire life to working for others will make you happy.
Yeah, I like working for my family since I love them
it shouldn't be necessary to work us so hard for them to get their value out of us though.
we could be helping our families without throwing our lives away.
That's fine. Work as much as you want. Just expect your income to accompany your productivity.
My wife works 14 hours a week, if she wants more money then she doesn't just take it from my account, she just goes and work more.
I put my money in stocks
The money goes to our kid. Not to her luxuries.
if any of our productivities matched the money we are getting, we would be earning twice or thrice we currently do. or more. this is the entire point.
i'm not against working as much as I need, i'm against leaving most of it to employers to enjoy for our sacrifice.
most people don't even have the choice though, its rare to even be able to save money
I support that. Let's have a meaningful movement. Not to decrease our working hours, but to increase our earnings compared to our productivity.
A part of my job is to calculate the income of the doctors at our hospital.
They earn their income based on their effort. If they do an easy thing, then they earn little money. If they do something more scarce, then they earn more money. They earn money based on how many patients they help. Not based on how many hours they are at the hospital.
I see vast differences between income between doctors. Many of them are fine with working few hours because they earn enough anyways. Other doctors aim at 40k euros income per month. They work a lot.
It's personal choice.
The work reform movement must include the people that want to work a lot.
People that are satisfied with basic necessities (I'm sad for their children) are fine enough with simple tax and social transfers. They don't even need to have a job (they are hated by people).
But the people that want to work, need to be paid for their efforts.
so you are against reducing work hours? humans are not made to work so hard, but you can work more if you want to while also supporting other people to have that choice.
because you are talking about doctors, who are notoriously well paid and privileged. as i said, its rare to even be able to save, even when working 12hr days, 6 day weeks. theres a reason not many people want children nowadays, and most that do are in financial distress.
the good news is that we DO have many meaningful movements to do all of that on the left, but like any grassroots movement, it isn't financed by big capital and needs people's support and participation.
i think you should expand your perspective somewhat. life aint easy for people without the same privilege as you do, and even then.
So... You want to avoid your family?
Nah, I want my kid to be a millionaire. Takes me 37,5 work hours a week
Your kid is going to be a little shit with a father like you and all that money handed to them.
🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Money won't be handed to the kid. Just the naked property rights until I die.
To prevent paying far too many taxes of course.
150k euros every 3 years at 3% taxes. Obviously undervalued property.
Kid will grow up like I did. Low consumption spending, high savings rate.
Kid will grow up like I did.
Like I said.
You know, you could just talk with your wife and/or find something more worthwhile to do than putting in the maximum physically possible hours at work.
Or just get a divorce, because that's faster and cheaper than avoiding your family until your wife divorces you and your kids resent you, and has the same end result.
My dad worked more than me, nobody resented him. My inheritance was 500k euros. My kid's inheritance will be above a million euros.
Silly people
"Silly people" says the guy who hit the birth lottery of inheriting fuck you money from the start and still can't think of anything worthwhile to do.
Why do you even work with 500k in the bank? Why don't you live off your investments and capital gains somewhere in the carribean? Why do you think your kids need even more money instead of their Dad being there? Holy shit.
Because the kid is better off in Belgium than in Indonesia.
My parents started with 0. Why would I be as selfish as to waste their money? It's not my money. It's my family's money.
It just lowers our cost of living and gains compound interest.
My kid will have the naked property of it until I die. It's never being sold.
Lottery lol, it's just a guy working 40 years. The stuff none of you want to do here.
My parents lived at their parents till 30.
"The stuff none of you want to do here" 🫠
You couldn't possibly sound more like an out of touch boomer if you tried. But I guess we're done here, I think i have a pretty good grasp of your mindset already
Me and my brother copying my dad's mindset basically, so yeah.
All of us earn pretty good money on the labour market
Man having a wife and kid made me want to be at home more, not less. I would leap at the opportunity to have 32 hour weeks and tons of vacation. I would even consider going into the office a second day of the week for that.
I worked 0 hours before having a reason to work. I barely need money. I make money for my family.
Now imagine being able to provide for your family without being away from your family for so long.
Kids tend to go to school after age of 3
School is 40+ hours a week?
With home work added to it? Working is easier. School ends at 15 40, kid will be home around 16 10 and I'm home around 16 45
You think the kid can survive 35 min without me?
Ok, Boomer.
I'm 29, just not 19 like you folks
This checks out. You sound EXACTLY like me when I was 29 and an insufferable know-nothing piece of shit. Now I’m embarrassed for both of us.
Ah doesn't matter, I'm in my prime.
Having boomer opinions is a mindset thing, not an age thing.
Also: I'm older than you.
Are you richer than me tho
did you win the birth lottery and get handed a pile of money like me tho
FTFY
It's because my parents had jobs and didn't waste the money 😬
Non sequitur much?
I’m 38. I used to think like you. Then I realised it was a business not a person and my boss wasn’t my friend, and that I should be getting more for less.
This is all great, for you, if you want to live your life like this, but I don’t understand why you think that this should be standard.
Why are you against doing less work for the same money?
You don’t really understand how it works…people are more productive for working 32hoyr weeks.
So how do people pay the mortgage?
I’ve also seen you say you think people should be contractors. So you’re against workers rights.
There are many ways to for people’s lives to be made better, and increase productivity, but apparently that’s not the intention, it seems employers would rather have you shitting it.
I always wonder why people like this are on here.
Do you require an echo chamber or do you want to actually bring change?
If you can't even convince me.
I worked a year 32h a week. I don't see the issue why you don't just do that. You get paid for those 32 hours ya know
I have no clue what you’re trying to say.
You don't understand much
Aren’t trying to explain yourself either, you’re either a troll or don’t understand it yourself.
Nah it's comprehensible.
You don't understand why I'm here.
I gave you explanation, then you didn't understand it.
Hence it's rather funny that you don't seem to understand anything.
Another attempt.
This is Lemmy, just like Reddit it is structured into echo chambers. The current politics is dominated by polarisation. A lot of right Vs left. Little amount of people being centrists.
You being leftist, don't understand that someone on the right side would be here.
So you just continue the polarisation (which greatly harms you btw, right wing is winning tremendously because of this).
So, tbh I prefer to be a centrist.
So for the love of god. Can any of you fucks actually convince me of your desire of a 32h work week.
Give good arguments. Logical ones. So that the people without empathy might give a damn. Learn to convince people.
I don’t understand why you’re here cause you aren’t wanted here. You’ve made a load of shit up in your head and used it to answer a question that was never asked.
I'm not wanted here, because it's an echo chamber.
I'm still here. So, maybe you should start using your brain and start figuring out why I am here.
Do you think people don't go places just because they aren't wanted? You think you have any ability to threaten me so that I wouldn't be here?
Nah. I'm just here because it's on my social media feed and the content interests me. I'm against what you people want to achieve and I don't have an issue with letting you know that.
You think you’ve got some amazing angle here that no one has thought of before and you’re doing us a favour by stopping this from being an “echo chamber”, or something. But the reality is that it’s just tired ideas that have been collectively dismissed by leftists. You clearly think differently, but you’re just a troll.
wife bad amirite
She will work 20 hours a week and now during pregnancy she doesn't work at all.
Being a responsible father is good.
You know, most countries have both time off for expecting women and paid time off for mothers of newborns and increasingly for the fathers too.
I live in one of those countries. 20 days for me. 1 august to february for my wife.
I'm gonna ask her company to give her the rest off as well during pregnancy unpaid.
your dangerfield needs work
Sitting at home on my toilet married with a child. So I feel equally qualified to say this as you.
Fuck capitalism and that exploitation. What, you used to have empathy and care and now you're a selfish asshole? How is that good, it's definitely not funny, it's just sad.
Who said I ever had empathy? I use logic. If you're going to try and convince me, I'd suggest trying to use logic as well. It's fairly easy to convince people with logic. Using your emotions etc will only cause polarisation, echo chambers, ...
If you want to work 32 hours, go work 32 hours. Nobody is stopping you.
I've worked 32 hours for a year. Has its benefits. Just less money. Now that my wife is working half time, I'm obviously going to work more.
You know what work reform I'd love to see? One where pay is based on production. Not time. So when I do twice what you do in the same amount of time, I bring home twice the money.
Cool, you're shitting on people getting more vacation time and better pay for ... What reason again? Because you got married and had a kid?
Use logic to make that make sense to me. Also I'll hit you with some logic right here, your own in fact.
You know what work reform I'd love to see? One where pay is based on production.
Sweet, worker productivity has soared while wages stagnated. Paying people the same amount of money to do 32 hours of work vs 40 is a step towards making pay more aligned with production. Exactly what you want!
I want the wage system abolished. Everyone should be a sub-contractor. Paid on what they provide. Not on how much time they are there.
My co-workers are people like here. They say "don't have ambition" "we're just work folk" "if you do double the work you only get paid the same amount anyways".
The mentality my family doesn't have. Somehow my family all end up being high earners.
Yeah we get it you're awesome and whatever. Maybe if your coworkers were compensated for their efforts instead of taken advantage of they'd feel different about putting more work in.
Hell that last complaint you listed from your coworkers is literally the same thing you're complaining about.
You're still part of the proletariat, stop shilling for the bourgeoisie.
I'm petite bourgeoisie, half my income comes from capital.
My workplace is very leftist. It's a hospital, the income is all thanks to subsidies from the tax payers.
Everyone is paid based on a barema, everyone gets the same. That's because of unions. I'm fine with that. But I'm learning everything about the hospital and will demand a higher position or simply go to another hospital that agrees to give me that.
I despise stagnation. These coworkers do the same job as I do, I'm 29 and they are in their 50s.
The 24 year old newbie is more productive than those oldies. Our generation has been educated more profoundly.
These oldies can only do their own tasks and if you ask them anything else, they freak out.
The younger generation is a lot more flexible. I'm learning the tasks of everyone at the department. Then I'll expand it to finance. I have my eyes on multiple positions and the people who have those positions are actual capable workers.
The thing I'm earning on top of my wage is experience (human capital).
if you always do the same tasks year after year, you're basically.. well.. you're replaceable by AI.
whos gonna tell'em
Who said I ever had empathy? I use logic.
Honestly all that needed to be said. Fucking utilitarians.
Empaths are pretty boring. Basically like toddlers throwing tantrums
Logically, your family's world would be a better place without you in it. Your resources could all go to your child and you could stop wasting them, and your wife can find someone who actually loves her and her child.
Why don't you do what's logically best for your child?
Nah because the child isn't born yet, the money would go to my brother.
If I didn't love my wife, I would just discard her and be a deadbeat father.
I'm not really wasting resources, my net worth increases every day because I'm the main source of income for my family. If I would die, my wife would have to look for another man.
Men aren't really interested in raising another guy's child.
I would kill you without a second's hesitation if you threaten my child's well being
Wow, what an emotional response. No need to be a violent fucking crybaby because you don't love anyone and nobody loves you. Why don't you logic your way into happiness and stop getting so salty?
Don't you know the statistics about single moms? They have the lowest quality of life. You disgusting monkey.
Why wouldn't I get emotional? You threaten my family.
It's logical that I get angry at you.
You know what work reform I’d love to see? One where pay is based on production. Not time.
Funny, that's what we want too. Production now is higher than ever before in the history of humanity, yet our wages and salaries have been stagnant for decades. If we are producing more than ever before, why do we need to work so many hours per week? We should either be fairly compensated for that productivity or we should not be required to produce more than we are fairly paid for, which should translate to either a drastic salary increase to match the increased demand for productivity or a drastic decrease in hours worked (without a reduction in pay, since you agree that pay should be based on production).
If you lower your working hours to 32 hours per week then this would happen.
Foreign countries their labour will gain in desirability for capital.
Your area will still require the environment to keep you alive, so if you are simply surviving, then it would be a good choice for you.
Now, I live in Belgium. We have a median net worth of 250k euros per adult. We have a lot to lose. If we work less, we simply have less money.
The good thing to do, would be to earn more money. Not work less.
You know how much Indonesians work? Singaporeans? Chinese? They work more than us.
Belgians statistically work only a few hours a week. Do you think our high median net wealth came from nothing?
We work at our property after our hours.
My dad never hired anyone to do anything in the house. He did everything himself. We don't have a gardener. We do all of it ourselves.
Belgians work part time for themselves.
The truth is that value does not come without labour. Can't magically lay on the couch and expect value to arise.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd take more money too. However, I think I'd be happier with more time off to do the things I enjoy and also the things I don't really enjoy but have to get done anyway, like chores and housework, since those are also part of my day that gets eaten up by my job.
I wouldn't expect a nepo baby like you to understand that though. You got everything in life handed to you, so it's no big surprise you lack empathy for your fellow man.
I don't have empathy because of a personality disorder or autism. Could be either, I don't know.
Most people are incapable of living with their parents in the west, so they waste their income on rent and utilities.
We live with 4 adults in one home, so our costs are extremely low and our income is high.
If your parents couldn't own a house in the 20th century, then that sucks for them. The west was booming.
My parents didn't go on vacations, they didnt buy luxuries, they just built a house and bought land. The economy around us grew a lot because it's west Europe. (Capitalism is why)
I do live with my parents. We do own our own house. You make broad generalizations about why everybody else is less successful than you, but you clearly have no clue what life is actually like for people living in America, or what actually working for a living is like, rather than just inheriting 500k euros and having your money make your money for the rest of your life like a rich cunt. Must be nice to have a golden parachute you can rely on for the rest of your life, but most people don't have that luxury and we want to make things better for everybody, not just the owner-class or the capital-class of folk who have long since pulled the ladder up behind them.
The staggering ignorance on display here is why nobody is taking you seriously, and don't you dare blame it on mental health or autism. You don't get to come out loud and proud as a person who lacks empathy and then blame it on external factors when you get called out for being a piece of shit.
Don't bother with a reply, you're a waste of oxygen. Blocked. ✋🚫
Nice LARP, kid
My dick's the size of a banana, adult