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No they don't.
They kinda do see some vague similarities (there is a prison) if they squint but it's different because reasons.
They do but they think it's woke garbage anyway.
- There is no such thing as a "right wing" Star Wars fan.
  They cried when Palpatine died.
  
  I'm sorry to inform you that there are right-wing Star Wars fans. Just as there are right wing whovians and trekkies and bronies. No it doesn't make sense but there it is.
  
  Right-wing SW fans make more sense than right-wing Star Trek fans, at least. In SW they can root for the Empire, but ST is a post-scarcity utopia from the ground up.
  
  Right wing Star Trek fans love the Mirror Universe. They're probably why someone thought it was a brilliant idea in Discovery to give Space Hitler a redemption arc.
  
  right wingers had a problem with 90+% female and LGBTQ+ leads, thats all they were complaining about in STD.
  
  I had zero problem with the cast. But after they decided to give Space Hitler her redemption arc, I just couldn't take the show seriously anymore.
  
  i assume you mean "the good borg queen" i dint like picard that much, ironically that story was lifted from the fan novels, where it had a "borg" cooperative alliance, after the QUEEN in endgame died. kurtzman lifted from those NOVELS so much, it was so cringe and obvious. i was curious of the Lore one time so i visited thier non-canon wiki pages of star trek.
  
  No I mean Philippa Georgiou. She's literally Space Hitler.
  https://breeze.falconsyndicate.net/memory-alpha/wiki/Philippa_Georgiou_(mirror)
  Georgiou was responsible for rendering Qo'noS uninhabitable, and, together with Sylvia Tilly, she subjugated the Betazoids and wiped out Mintaka III. (DIS: "Will You Take My Hand?") She bombarded the Talosians in retaliation for trying to deceive her with their psychic illusions. (DIS: "If Memory Serves")
  In an real world where fascism is on the march, I'm sorry, I just don't have any patience for offering fictional fascists a redemption arc. We're talking about a character that is canonically responsible for acts of mass genocide. She's so comically evil that she literally ate sentient intelligent beings. She's Space Hitler, the Empress of the cartoonishly evil Terran Empire, an empire conceptually modeled directly off of Nazi Germany. She's literally Space Hitler.
  Every time I see her on screen, my first thought is always, "wait a minute. The Federation is supposed to stand for rights and justice. Why the hell isn't this character being hauled off to whatever the Federation's equivalent of the Hague is? Why isn't she being escorted to the airlock to be vented into space? Does no one care what this monster did? Do they think that just because it happened in the Mirror Universe, it's morally acceptable? One universe or another, she still committed genocide!"
  They just let her join the team, and no one seems to be bothered that they're just hanging out with literal Space Hitler. It's just totally immersion breaking. It's like if the Enterprise crew traveled back in time to WW2 Earth, picked up the literal historical Hitler, and just brought him back and gave him a post on the bridge. And for the rest of the series, Hitler's just over there manning the comms or something. It's completely anathema to what the Federation is supposed to stand for. It's madness. I'm sorry, but I just can't forgive genocide. You don't get a redemption arc after doing something like that.
  
  Considering that Section 31 turned into a perverted circus…
  
  Maybe they should try 40k.
  
  Unfortunately, they very much do.
  And they don't understand who the good guys are in 40k either (it's no one. Except maybe tyranids acting at an instinctual level)
  
  Bullshit, the Orks are working towards increasing average happiness in the galaxy!
  
  I mean, by process of elimination, I guess.
  I thought about including orks in there, but they do too many uncool things like trying to fight people who don't want to fight.
  They're perfectly happy fighting anyone and everyone, including themselves, and just want a good propper fight.
  Kind of hard justifying a fight with puppies though...
  
  Exactly! Any other faction that wins and takes over the galaxy is still running a dystopia. The Orks, however, would be ruling over a utopia where everyone is happy (on account of being Orks and thrilled to fight one another). The Orks deserve to win from a utilitarian standpoint of maximizing happiness!
  
  Tau in shambles.
  
  I mean, chaos have been fighting the injustice of the imperium for a long time
  
  nah, they got mad NU-TREK with thier virtue signalling of WOMEN AND gay leads, which was forced by kurtzman. nutrek literally broke thier minds.
  
  At least 20% of ANY group is comprised of assholes.
  
  Our local park volunteers are 1/5th jerks?! Noooo
  (Plausible but hope not)
  
  It makes perfect sense once you realize that their media literacy is through the basement. Regular literacy too, I'd wager. 54% of adults (in America) read below the sixth-grade level. Source.
  
  This is a pretty interesting link. I knew the low literacy rate fact before, but from a different source.
  The economic cost of low literacy in the U.S. is estimated at $2.2 trillion annually due to productivity losses.
  Filing this under "conservatives are so stupid. so fucking stupid.". they want to save money by gutting education and that's just ass-backwards.
  
  There are left-wing Bronies?
  
  There's still bronies?
  
  What's a broniey? (will kagi that)
  E: Oh. And spelling.
  
  I don't know what to do with this question.
  
  They root for Vader and the Storm Troopees now and don’t watch Andor, the one I know anyway.
  
  Right wing sci-fi/fantasy fans are cheering for the antagonists, or the societies depicted.
  The extent I'll grant fantasy shows are sympathetic to right-wing politics is monarchies, but that's about it (without giving it very deep analysis 😅)
  
  Star Wars is not right wing by America's fascist standards but it is right wing by most other standards.
  Lucas is clearly a firm pro-capitalism liberal. The story criticizes fascism and the concentration of power but hardly criticizes authority and firmly supports strict social hierarchies. There's an entire sub-caste of sapient slaves called droids that never gets acknowledged as problematic!
  And that's what made Andor very special. It's an allegory for class struggle and unionization. It's a story Lucas would have never told, and it is brilliant.
  
  Bro, Paul Ryan likes Rage Against the Machine. I don't even know if sarcasm exists anymore.
  It wouldn't surprise me if a Nazi likes Inglorious Bastards.
  
  Unfortunately, yes there’s rightwing Star Wars fans. The GOP even made a video photoshopping DNC leaders at the imperial generals meeting on the Death Star and making Nancy Pelosi the person behind Darth Vader’s mask. They claim the Democrats are the evil empire and that republicans are the rebels.
  
  They root for the Empire.
  
  You should be allowed to root for Admiral Thrawn independent of where you are on the political or autistic spectrum!
  
  What did they do when he, somehow, returned?
  
  Perhaps they do exist, and the Star Wars right wing fans are right and think mega prisons are ok because it’s “only for criminals of course”, and they also rejoiced when the trade routes were taxed.
  
  It was a beautiful moment though.
- Until Andor, Star Wars had paper-thin worldbuilding that let right-wingers see themselves as the Rebels.
  Luke is a rural white boy who learns the true religion, which is being suppressed by the government. He uses his religious beliefs and skills honed as a farmboy to fight back. Han Solo is a businessman who just wants to make money moving goods from A to B, but the government keeps interfering, trying to destroy his business (and his personal property).
  What are the rebels fighting for? Basically it seems to be about personal liberty and the right to practice their religion. If there's any ideology beyond that, the movies don't really get into it.
  In most of the series, the empire is literally faceless. The storm troopers have full body armour that covers everything up. The Tie Fighter pilots have full helmets that cover their faces. The only people with faces you see on the empire's side are the generals and the emperor. That makes it really easy to have the empire represent anything you want.
  Part of what makes Andor such a great series is that it puts faces to a lot of the mid-level people in the empire. You see their backstabbing, their jockeying for position, striving for promotion. It really shows what kinds of people work for the empire, and what the values of the normal people are, and why they might want to join the rebels instead.
  
  Oh shi-
  This makes so much sense. It's like a glimpse into some form of enlightenment that I don't want to experience.
  Have some Lemmy Gold.
  
  That makes it really easy to have the empire represent anything you want.
  Isn't that kind of the point? When you make villains too specific then it's easy to differentiate the villains in a movie from the evil in real life. Donald Trump doesn't resemble the villain from the movie so therefore I can hate the villain from the movie while still liking Donald Trump because they're not the same person. The evil that happens in the movie is because of that particular bad guy, now that bad guy is dead and it's all wrapped up in a nice little bow.
  When a movie is about archetypes it's a little more difficult to ignore the ideas. The Rebellion is a diverse group of people, even a fish guy can be an admiral. A little green weirdo could be the powerful Jedi. The imperials are not all that diverse, are they? It's harder to rationalize that you're on the good guy side because that means taking orders from Admiral Ackbar which is contradictory to your political views which would be about wanting Ackbar fired because he must be a DEI hire.
  Also Lando making a deal with fascists and constantly getting screwed over because fascists don't give a shit about doing as they promised seems a little relevant now. Lando was fine with some random guy called "Luke Skywalker" getting screwed over as long as he and his friends came out ok. Seems a lot like people voting for Trump knowing immigrants would get screwed but that's fine because they would come out alright. There's a lot of Landos on Wall Street right now. Trump altered the deal, pray he doesn't alter it further.
  The ones made by JJ Abrams are really great about showing all of the reasons for people getting sucked into fascist movements... indoctrination (Finn), wanting to eliminate freedom to have order (Hux), bad relationship with their father (Kylo Ren), nostalgia for past greatness (Pryde), and ancestry (Rey). With Hux we even get to see how fascists are really just spiteful assholes that don't actually believe in anything, they just want power.
  With Rey we see hesitation about being part of the movement against fascism because of her ancestry. Maybe she's unworthy because of her ancestry? Nah that's bullshit, you don't need to identify with the shitty people in history because they're your ancestors, it's up to you how you identify yourself. The repeated message of "they [fascists] make us feel like we're alone" seems particularly relevant given how social media divides us now.
  And Palpatine... yeah fascism has come back to life again even though it's been defeated before. But ok, I guess we gotta do this shit again. People get all butt hurt they didn't explain the details of how Palpatine came back, but that's the point. Fascism comes back and you gotta oppose it when it does. Somehow fascism returned, and it doesn't matter how, because we have to oppose it no matter what. And if you really want to know how fascism returned, just look at the motivations of the fascist characters in the movies.
- They think the Empire are the good guys

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