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Tax the rich ? No Seize the means of production yes
- To continue to industrially rape the planet? To the global south, indigeneous peoples, and all natural peoples, the results of capitalism or Marxist socialism looks exactly the same - we'll all be industrialized science addicts under capitalism or socialism, and all other non-European cultures must commit cultural suicide to become a "proletariat" worker of some factory. Your so-called "leftist revolution" isn't a revolution, it's merely a continuation of the European mindset that considers the natural world and natural peoples an acceptable sacrifice.
  Would you like to know more? Check this out to gain some non-white eurocentric perspective because I got news for you - white supremasist eurocentric industrialization is not the dominant ideology. Did you think the peoples living in South American jungles for thousands of years need some 19th century European to teach them "complex" philosophy of sharing?
  "But there is a peculiar behavior among most Caucasians. As soon as I become critical of Europe and its impact on other cultures, they become defensive. They begin to defend themselves. But I am not attacking them personally; I’m attacking Europe. In personalizing my observations on Europe they are personalizing European culture, identifying themselves with it. By defending themselves in this context, they are ultimately defending the death culture. This is a confusion which must be overcome, and it must be overcome in a hurry. None of us has energy to waste in such false struggles.
  Caucasians have a more positive vision to offer humanity than European culture. I believe this. But in order to attain this vision it is necessary for Caucasians to step outside European culture — alongside the rest of humanity — to see Europe for what it is and what it does. "
  
  Never missed the laugh emoji react in the fediverse until now.
  
  Did I say something funny?
  
  Yea never seen a bigger strawman
  
  You said "seize the means of production" and I described how the very means of production is a deadly problem. How is that a strawman?
  
  No it isn't you made it one. Means of production is anything from a steel plant to my plow. You are very confused about Marxism basics. If you are in control you can choose what to make of it. I have no wishes for a plague planet of a few surviving hippie communes here and there , but you are more than welcome to have yours. The rest of would build star trek instead.
  
  We won't make it to a Star Trek future if we pursue industrialism at all costs.
  " The statement of the Soviet scientist’s is very interesting. Does he know what this alternative energy source will be? No, he simply has faith. Science will find a way. I hear revolutionary Marxists saying that the destruction of the environment, pollution, and radiation will be controlled. And I see them act on their words. Do they know how these things will be controlled? No, they simply have faith. Science will find a way. Industrialization is fine and necessary. How do they know this? Faith. Science will find a way. Faith of this sort has always been known in Europe as religion. Science has become the new European religion for both capitalists and Marxists; they are truly inseparable; they are part and parcel of the same culture. So, in both theory and practice, Marxism demands that non-European peoples give up their values, their traditions, their cultural experience altogether. We will all be industrialized science addicts in a Marxist society.
  I do not believe that capitalism itself is really responsible for the situation in which American Indians have been declared a national sacrifice. No, it is the European tradition; European culture itself is responsible. Marxism is just the latest continuation of this tradition, not a solution to it. To ally with Marxism is to ally with the very same forces that declare us an acceptable cost.
  There is another way. There is the traditional Lakota way and the ways of the other American Indian peoples. It is the way that knows that humans do not have the right to degrade Mother Earth, that there are forces beyond anything the European mind has conceived, that humans must be in harmony with all relations or the relations will eventually eliminate the disharmony. A lopsided emphasis on humans by humans — the European’s arrogance of acting as though they were beyond the nature of all related things — can only result in a total disharmony and a readjustment which cuts arrogant humans down to size, gives them a taste of that reality beyond their grasp or control and restores the harmony. There is no need for a revolutionary theory to bring this about; it’s beyond human control. The nature peoples of this planet know this and so they do not theorize about it. Theory is an abstract; our knowledge is real.
  Distilled to it’s basic terms, European faith — including the new faith in science — equals a belief that man is God. Europe has always sought a Messiah, whether that be the man Jesus Christ or the man Karl Marx or the man Albert Einstein. American Indians know this to be truly absurd. Humans are the weakest of all creatures, so weak that other creatures are willing to give up their flesh that we may live. Humans are able to survive only though the exercise of rationality since they lack the abilities of other creatures to gain food through the use of fang and claw."
  Russel Means of the Lakota People (Full speech here)
  
  Lib found , always funny american anarchists are so backwards.
  
  What about what I said makes me a 'Lib'? Also I'm not even American lol.
  
  So uh what are we going to do with all the bodies since we're moving back to a pre industrial society.
  I'm not a huge fan of in dusters luxation but the people are already alive and I'd prefer that we don't have mass death via starvation so that we can stop it.
  
  Mass death via starvation and thirst is a certainty thanks to climate change. Depleting water-tables and dumping toxic waste into landfills will happen under capitalism or socialism, we need a different way. American Indians have been screaming the solutions in Europeans face for centuries yet Europeans still choose the route of mass destruction.
  People could be fed for free if rooftops and parking lots were turned into food gardens, or if we taught children about growing food from the earth with as much importance as we do with maths or languages, a las, that's the antithesis of European concept of "legitimate" thinking; what is written down has an importance that's denied the spoken. They have already demonstrated through their history that they cannot hear, cannot see; they can only read through the dead, dry leaves of a book.

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