Are there any Lemmy/Mbin instances by women for women?

Why would this be division?

- I haven't written anything about excluding other genders. It's only about a women centric place with additional moderation protection and administration and moderation by women (and yes, these can also be trans women or even men admins and mods if the group decides so).
  But why excluding men or anybody else from participating, as long as they stay on topic?
  Division is made when you divide the people.
  Having a space for women by women isn't division. It's about creating a safe space.
  Just in general already against the massive structural issues with Lemmy
  What structural issues?
  It is a group of people who like to constantly divide
  Isn't this normal human behavior? Still doesn't mean that people are enemies because of splitting into different groups.
Oh, read the title.
- "Are there any Lemmy/Mbin instances by women for women?"
  Where is the division?
  
  Where’s the division? It starts and ends with the “…for women” part.
  By women, sure that’s not divisive at all but if something is being set up specifically for one gender it’s inherently divisive.
  Don’t get me wrong, I understand why women would want it, but at the same time describing it as non-divisive doesn’t work.
  
  Ah give me a break. Can't there be something that is designed specifically for women without you feeling excluded? Nobody says that you aren't allowed to participate.
  
  Why are you making it personal about me? I don’t give a damn what you do. Did you see the part of my last comment where I said that I can understand why women would want it?
  You asked a question, I provided an answer. It is inherently divisive by definition, and that’s completely fine. Pull your head out.
  
  by women for women
  lol just change it for other noun
  by white people for white people
  You see the problem here?
  
  Okay now lets change it again.
  "Are there any Lemmy communities FOR rape survivors and by rape survivors?"
  And someone says "Well why do you want to create division? Shouldn't rapists also have a chance to share their side?"
  I'm not saying this is a realistic "turn the tables" but neither is yours. I will explain why.
  Right now, despite whatever stupid fucking propaganda a select few assholes are hung up on, there are no systemic attacks happening on white people just for being white. At least none of any value or meaning. No, fringe groups don't count because they don't have power and never will have power in this system. However there ARE in fact many white-nationalist groups that ARE gaining power and voice, and attempting to return to an old hegemonic ideal of race. This isn't a "that's not fair!" issue, this is an issue about our very future as a diverse species sharing a world together.
  I don't think there should be ANY exclusionary spaces, but I do think there should be well-moderated spaces for people of similar ideas or demographics to share thoughts without being attacked for their identity. There should be spaces where people know they will be ejected for trying to sabotage the conversations.
  Division and segregation hurts all of us, and if we want to fight it, we have to fight the fuckers who drive people to want to escape, we have to fight the trolls and monsters and bullies and nazis who make people feel afraid. Those are the ones trying to divide us, and those are the ones we shouldn't be giving voice to.
  
  I completely agree with you.
  White people are just frustrated equality means feeling burdens, pains, and other things equally. By all carrying a little, you can carry a whole lot. However, I've learned it comes from a place of comfort. They think the world around them is sound, that rules exist and structure permeates. They are but babies to reality. Even the christians among them do not understand the misery and suffering the bible speaks of.
  Those that propagate these lies, they witness not injustices but a system they can exploit. They are the demons that keep us awake at night and fearing our safety.
  
  Our species has a lot more vulnerabilities in our minds and hearts than we really want to admit to even ourselves... but there are wicked people who do know about them, and they will try everything to pry those vulnerabilities open and make us feel things so our brains latch onto stories to explain those feelings.
  We have to be constantly wary of anyone who says things that make us feel powerful emotions, no matter who or where, this our future battleground. The next world-war will be waged internally.
  (And with missiles too of course.)
  
  It makes me happy that you too fear. It feels like maybe I am not alone in carrying all this pain, that it is worth continuing. That I feel the burden for people who truly want to see love and kindness proliferate.
  
  This is a really, really scary time right now, if there was ever a time to know a general, baseline level of fear, it would be now. We're entering a world where it's really hard to tell what's real, but we're a population of creatures with brains designed by the last Ice Age and as a result, all our brains do is tell stories to make explanations for how we feel.
  These brains are woefully inadequate for relating to a world with several huge, complicated issues intersecting, from technology/AI, to climate change, to political instability and misinformation.
  I've been around a few, I'm getting up there in years. And I have NEVER seen a world more lost and confused and embattled in issues we're incapable of sorting out as individuals. And it's all going to get so much worse before it gets better.
  Yah, you're not alone, but you also can't sit on your hands. Seriously, save money, put dry or preserved food away, bury some cash or gold. Learn to cook and shoot, get your passport updated, have a go-bag.
  Within the next 10 - 20 years we're going to have a global instability like we've never seen. Half of all animals will be facing potential endangerment, oceans will have a harder and harder time sustaining yields and the fresh-water problem is going to be a full-on emergency in many places. And on top of all this, we will have dictators and little tyrants throwing missiles at each other left and right, old alliances will crumble, wars will stack on wars, and machines will start thinking like people and controlling our weapons and our world. I have no idea what's going to happen but I want everyone to be ready. America in particular hasn't known the hardships of forced migration and famine and war and artillery barrages, so people here are going to have a hard time adjusting to how tough things may get.
  
  Already on it. Saving spools of wick too because, sadly I fear a worse timeline than that of America.
  You see my brother, he died years ago. Homeless, been everywhere here and there. Bipolar and bottom of the barrel. It hurts to say this but it is truthful.
  He told my mom 3 things that have stuck with me. 1. I am her compensation for all her suffering. 2. He was sent by god. 3. His old gang was being wiped out, his time was coming.
  I called him deluded by some undiagnosed condition.
  Now here I am. Just scared because I followed my heart and it led me here too. I wanted a peaceful life, but I have knowledge if not for people, but for the new life humanity is birthing.
  2 millennia of history, it is hard to catch up.
  
  I agree up to a certain point. You say moderation I say censorship.
  
  Sounds racist. You see the problem?

Ask the people who deliberately work to make shared spaces uncomfortable for particular groups of people.

What does that even mean? What kind of spaces and how you are supposed to be uncomfortable?
- It's the sexist comments, boomer humor, male-centric views, the mansplaining, the chauvinism, the micro-aggressions, lack of empathy from a lack of perspective, the oversimplification without nuance, etc. All that generally makes women uncomfortable and sometimes it's a bit much. Sometimes you want to forget those exist and focus on what matters to you with like-minded people.
  It's the same for us gay folks. I know I can't just bring up whatever gay topic in a straight group where not everyone can relate, offer their first hand experience, or might find it weird because it's not part of their lives.
  Trying to concentrate similar people to discuss common topics is, at the very worst, a constructive division.
  
  This is not about arguments, bro. Or which ones do you mean? And safe spaces are meant to be non-confrontational. You can disagree, but you do it respectfully, without smug attitudes.
- I can't tell if your question is in good faith or not because of how awkwardly it's worded, but if you're asking how women can feel uncomfortable online, you're obviously not a woman, so enjoy that I guess.
  
  I can't imagine and no one explains. If my words are weird, yours are buzzing my brain also...
  
  Have you ever really talked to women who use online spaces a lot? Like a real conversation, face-to-face or in person. Serious question.
  edit: the soft chirping of distant crickets provide me all the answers I need.
  
  There are a lot of things you probably aren't even aware of that are normal for women, I would really encourage you to broaden your social sphere and make friends of other genders and backgrounds and listen to what other people deal with.
  You probably don't even know how much harassment and threats you would face just being a woman online, it's not exaggerated, there are a LOT of people who really enjoy making women feel unsafe, it's a game to them. Most girls I know hide their identities online and pretend to be men. Imagine not being able to express yourself freely even on the internet because you don't want to feel unsafe or hated.
  
  I am not a woman but I have many female friends and family members and a partner who talk about the things they deal with, so let me give a few examples of things you may deal with as a woman online or off, in increasing levels of severity and threat level:
  Being condescended to and ignored, talked over and interrupted constantly.
  Being excluded from things and patronized for wanting to talk about certain topics or activities.
  Guys who cannot stop making sexual advances and sexual comments and have to try to steer every conversation towards sex. Always cracking sexual jokes towards women and looking for a response.
  Getting sent dick pics and other pornographic imagery without prompt or reason.
  Guys in gaming groups or discord servers who act friendly and slowly become more and more obsessive and threatening and feel entitled to your attention.
  Men who fully act normal and decent and integrate into a social group but have secret obsessive impulses and they try to spread rumors and lies about the woman or women in their circle, creating stories to try to isolate the girl they're interested in, or attempts to get the female members of the group ejected because they feel insecure around them.
  Men who can't distinguish between being friends and being intimate, and suddenly feel like they're your boyfriend and entitled to know everything you do and everywhere you go, making threats to harm themselves or you if you don't reciprocate the "relationship."
  Stalkers who find your personal information online and send you pictures from your social media or other personal items to show that they know where you live.
  Being followed home or stalked by actual people who find out who you are.
  There are a lot of social "rules" that women have to deal with, and a lot of men aren't even aware of them. Like how they never leave drinks unattended when out with friends. When being dropped off at their house, they ask the driver to wait until they get all the way inside with the door closed before the driver leaves.
  I often hesitate to give these kinds of examples because invariably there will be someone who claims it's all lies or exaggerated, or they dismiss it and say "I wish I got that kind of attention online!" and other mind-meltingly dense, stupid or aggressive takes. This is why I asked if you have talked to real women you know about their experiences, because they don't talk about this stuff, particularly online to people they aren't close to. As soon as you get close to any women you learn exactly how much sexual predation they endure their whole lives and yeah, they do "get used it" in that they don't go around telling everyone about every interaction. 1 out of 5 women are raped or have been assaulted/attempted rape. Of these victims, 1 out of 3 had it happen between ages of 11 and 17.
  Most women who are murdered are murdered by a spouse, boyfriend, acquaintance or someone who met them once or twice.
  Women have very good reason to feel afraid of strangers, online or off, if you're actually interested in learning more and reading actual examples there is a WEALTH of information online and plenty of women's stories on major forums, from Lemmy to Reddit to twitter threads.

It's not division. It's federation, what the Fediverse is for.

Well, there are Feds that ban other Feds, I mean you are free to do so, but it's division...
- Lol you're a dumbass.

Women need a space to communicate with other women, men can't completely understand the unique experience, challenges and culture women have within literally every culture and sometimes we need only those who understand to listen. Men, be an ally to women and shut up, let them have a safe space without your intrusion.

There’s a Midwest focused instance and I wouldn’t call that division. They’re not trying to exclude East and west coasters. They don’t hate southerners. It’s just similar people gathering to talk about the things they have in common, which in this instance are midwesterner things. It’s the same for women. It’d be nice to have a place to talk about things that women have in common and experience that men don’t. If it was anything like the 2XChromosomes subreddit then men wouldn’t be banned, and plenty of men comment, it’s just that the topic of conversation focuses on women and women’s experiences. Having a place for people, especially women, to talk about women’s issues and experiences isn’t anymore divisive than having a midwestern instance or a European instance. And it would be a good place for men to look into to learn more about what life is like as a woman. If men feel they don’t have a place to talk about men’s problems, then they should also make an instance specifically for talking about men’s experiences

Because of you.