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Ah yes, "removed" as the first insult to come to mind, the sign of a good person
- Why is "cuntlicker" not also a common insult? #equalrights
  
  They should both be high compliments imo
  
  I agree, you cocksucking cuntlicking fatherfucker.
  
  I‘d say fatherfucker is still derogatory - after all, it’s still incest. Fatherhugger? Manhugger?
  
  Well, I don't think Motherfucker should be considered derogatory.
  I don't think incest is implied. Most fathers of 2 kids are Motherfuckers.
  
  You are completely right
- what about it?
  
  It implies that for a man, sucking cock (a legitimate sexual act for any gender) is an insult because that would make him gay. So Homophobic.
  
  imo the pejorative connotation of that word, and homophobia generally, is ultimately rooted in misogyny
  
  Man, I love removed I'd get me one of those
  
  Or you’re Swearingen from Deadwood. /s
  
  I think I know where he got his name now
  
  Dam I thought it was just a thing boring white ppl say. Imma used that retort.
  
  ok?
  So what if i just argued that "removed" just meant that you would suck someones cock if you got you something. I.E. you're easily bribed/manipulated. As far as i know, that's how most people use it.
  That's literally the implication like 99% of the time. If you wanted to insult someone for being gay, you would just call them a removed or something lmao. No need to mince words at that point.
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cock_(slang)#*removed*
  Just learn a bit before bothering others with educating you. History matters, the way that this slur has been used historically and presently, is mostly homophobic.
  Sorry for the short temper, this thread has been too long and I already explained this on another comment.
  
  to be clear, the wiki page you explicitly linked literally say it has a historical connotation, and the primary example it lists is from checks notes 53 years ago.
  I'm going to hazard a guess that the sentiment has probably changed, a little bit. Since 1972. 1972 to be clear, was 8 years after the passing of the civil rights act. It's a bit of a different time period now.
  anyway point is, i'm not convinced anybody cares about using this as a homophobic slur anymore.
  Sorry for the short temper, this thread has been too long and I already explained this on another comment.
  it's whatever, that's how the internet is lol. This thread has been more than amusing for me thus far.
  
  its because hes submissive. its a power thing not a gay thing
  
  That's still degrading to fellators.
  And idk if I'd say it's a power thing, removed are the active participant in a blow job, and I'd say the submissive one is the one with their meat between a pair of teeth.
  
  find me people who suck cock that actually give a fuck about other people calling people removed and we can talk.
  And idk if I’d say it’s a power thing, removed are the active participant in a blow job, and I’d say the submissive one is the one with their meat between a pair of teeth.
  nobody is arguing that sucking cock is submissive??? The argument is that being a removed is a submissive thing.
  Or you trolling? Or are you actually serious?
  
  its still at the end of the day giving pleasure to another. giving the key word: power thing. its the same atmosphere as bootlicker
  
  If you think going down on someone is only a submissive act you haven't gone down on someone long enough, or teased them enough.
  
  thats not what i think im explaining the insult
  
  Being submissive in sex can be expressed in a blowjob, but so can being dominant. Most sexual acts can be either dominant or submissive under the right context. For example a person can forcibly (consensually) throw the other person down, pin them to the floor and start going down on them while not letting them orgasm. Is the person being overpowered and forced to be frustrate by not orgasming the one in power?
  Your understanding of mutual respect and love is unhealthy if you compare going down on someone to bootlicking.
  
  im comparing an insult to bootlicking. jesus christ you people really feel like arguing over absolutely nothing
  
  I think you are missing the point, which is that "removed" should not be used as an insult because it's homophobic. Even if you personally identify it as a power dynamic insult, it does not change the fact that it is rooted in homophobia and that the OOP most likely used it without any thought as to its meaning and history but rather it just came to him as a viable insult (internalized homophobia)
  
  i never thought of it as a homophobic insult because plenty of straight bi etc also suck cocks, if ive ever heard removed in a homophobic context ive always heard a certain slur right after it
  to me, removed reminds me of a prison dynamic, where its more about the power of making someone suck your cock vs them being just gay for sucking cock
  but at the end of the day it dont matter we're all just arguing about an insult homophobic or not i dont think its a good use of our time to continue to argue about its semantics
  
  or maybe i'm just gay and i think removed is a funny insult, but no i must be homophobic, clearly that's the only option.
  This shits just not that complicated bro, it's language, doesn't matter where an insult came from if it's use is broadly different in modern lexicon. Some fascinating psychoanalysis of random people on the internet.
  
  If you are white, go call a black person a removed in a friendly way (like black people do to eachother sometimes) and see how well that goes. History matters, the origin of a word matters. Sure, maybe in a 100 years the meaning will change, but currently it is still widely recognized as a homophobic slur.
  And even if you were gay, that does not make you immune to internelized homophobia. Just like there are plenty of black people who disagree with the usage of the word removed even if spoken by a black person, because it is still rooted in racism.
  
  Okay but like, in regular penis-in-vagina sex, the man is (theoretically) giving pleasure to the woman while also doing all the work. Is that still power play? Is pussyfucker the same as removed?
  
  pussyfucker isnt an insult ive ever heard but motherfucker is
  removed reminds me of the prison mentality of making someone your removed so thats where im getting the power play from
  
  Exactly, pussyfucker isn't an insult because traditionally there was nothing wrong with fucking pussy, but calling someone a removed is implying they're either gay or a woman
  
  why arent you explaining motherfucker then?
  and funny how your mind goes straight to homophobia or misogyny, when there are other interpretations for removed
  
  oedipal
  and funny how your mind goes straight to homophobia or misogyny, when there are other interpretations for removed
  oh you're trolling, good day
  
  that's also a fundamentally flawed argument though. Unless you're like actively raping someone, there's nothing inherently wrong with fucking a woman. That's why the implication of removed and motherfucker matter, obviously someone fucks everyones mother, but it's the implication that people who are "motherfuckers" would fuck your mother just to be a problem.
  
  there’s nothing inherently wrong with fucking a woman
  Yet it isn't an insult for some reason, I wonder why?
  
  i mean yeah, pussyfucker if you used as an insult would be quite a weird insult to throw, but it would work i suppose.
  Motherfucker is also in the same vein like the other commenter suggested.
  
  So, if you were to replace 'removed' with 'towelhead', slut, Yid, or Nig*** would that still just be a power thing?
  Not that it actually makes a difference. This 'power thing' you refer to is controlling abuse for self interest. Introducing a predudice is just a way of trying to justify and/or hide the abuse.
  
  im sorry are we equating removed, and the n word to be on the same level of offensive slur?
  
  No, the discussion was not about whether different words were of equal or differing offensiveness. My discussion is about what saying 'it's a power thing' actually means and how it relates to abusive behaviour.
  
  i suppose that's fair. But it's also an insult. They're not meant to be nice.
  
  Exactly! Which was my original point that this 'power thing' is about using/tied to abusive/instluting behaviour rather than something separate.
  
  He could have also said "vaginalicker" but he didn't, he used a well known homophobic slur. Also, if he wanted to say submissive he could have used well known submissive insults.
  
  literally nobody says vaginalicker though? that's just not the commonly understood variant of "removed"

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