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2010-04-12
2010-04-12
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If you eat basically any form of meat, I have some bad news for you...
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I do give deer hunting a pass because they're overpopulated in places (because humans wiped out their native predators).
Feel free to try and change my mind so I can wipe that off my ever-shrinking personal "ethically ok to eat meats" list. For all I know this is one of those lies I was raised with that I've not examined since childhood. Edit: context is in Kentucky, USA 20 years ago. I don't know about deer populations elsewhere and elsewhen.
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Former vegan, current pescatarian here.
Dont stop hunting, please. Humans did a phenomenal job of ensuring a required hunting season for deer by wiping out all the natural predators, now without them we have to have culls. If you participate in said culls, PLEASE eat the meat, use the pelt, give the antlers to your dog. We've forced ourselves into a position where some of us MUST take up the mantle of predator. If you choose to, just be responsible with the carcass so it didn't die for no good reason.
Edit: accidentally lied, I'm not a vegetarian I'm a pescatarian who outside of her 6 shrimp a week is vegan.
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To add a wrinkle: there's now "farmed deer". It's supposedly more environmentally friendly than farmed cow, but I don't like it because •vague feelings I've not fully examined•.
So don't assume any venison you find in the grocery store was hunted.
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Wow, thanks, I hate it!
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Vague feelings? I think your feelings are pretty spot-on, farming an animal whose population is already excessive in the wild is bizarre.
Wild deer are more environmentally friendly than farmed deer.
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The feelings are vague because I can't put them confidently into words, but your explanation resonates.
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Farmed cervids are why CWD (Chronic Wasting Disease) is a thing. It's a prion disease. Farmed venison has a high probability of being CWD positive.
It's called a high fence operation. Rich fucks actually pay for a canned hunt inside the fence so they get a big antlered wall hanger.
Myself and my family like to eat does. Curbs population faster and tends to be better meat. We live in a county that is overpopulated with white tail.
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Ahhh, I had no idea the connection between farmed deer and CWD.
So, I'm assuming that CWD in deers is caused in the same way that BSE is in cows? It's miraculous there aren't any hicks that have contracted the CJD equivalent from CWD deers.
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Yeah, it's pretty much the cervid version of Mad Cow. Affects whitetail, mule, moose, elk, maybe some Asian deer. Current research is pointing to it not being human transmissible but they have had lab transmission in primates with direct neuro tissue transfer. It's highly infectious and stays in the ground for years.
Captive deer lick noses through the fence with wild deer and greatly helped the spread.
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There's so much we still don't understand about prions, I have a horrible feeling that it should be phrased 'it's not transmissible to humans yet '.
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sorry but former vegan? what happened?
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Stopped eating a vegan diet I would imagine
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yea I figured thanks for the insight lol
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I opened up my diet to the occasional fish (scrimps) because I hadn't managed to force enough flax into my diet to have all the omegas I need.
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are there supplements that could achieve the same?
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Probably? Idk I've never managed to remember to take supplements, I've got some gnarly adhd. I've been working on the same bottle of Vitamins for like 6 years, YaKnow?
So like, yeah I'm sure there's a supplement, but I also don't think it's that big a deal to eat 6 oceanic mud bugs a week.
(For reference the reason I ever went vegan at all was in response to driving past an overcrowded slaughterhouse and seeking the conditions the animals were kept in, it was horrific. I avoid farmed animal products like the plague, and I try to be responsible in the amount of hunted animal products I use, like I said, just 6 scrimps a week.
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Makes sense. Taking supplements is hard. My doctor wants me taking krill oil for the omegas and it's 1. hard to find any that doesn't come in cow (or mystery) gelatin and 2. hard to actually take the things.
My B12 is a tad easier because it tastes like candy and is fun to melt under the tongue, but I still don't take it regularly.
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This applies boars as well
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Only time I've eaten meat in the past ~30 years was when I ate some invasive fish that had been caught in a killathon to restore native habitat. Not that it's my role to "give you a pass," but I certainly do in this case!
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Apparently there's spear fisherfolk in Florida that kill invasive lionfish and provide them to local restaurants. I'm all for killing and eating invasive species.
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That's exactly what I ate :)
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Pretty sure you can hunt nursing deer in most places.
Edit: can't! You can't hunt while the babies are babies.
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The hunting season is timed such that most fans are weaned before un-antlered adults may be shot. Source: Kentucky department of fish & wildlife summer camp in the 90s. Unfortunately, deer aren't always born or weaned according to statistics, but the law tries to prevent it.
This article on the ethics of shooting a doe with fawn from the hunter's view corroborates this. CW: bloodless photo of a dead deer
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CAN'T!
Ducking autocarrot.
But I think fin whales nurse for 2+ years making seasons a bit tricky (with some of the big whales the bulls have a quite ungentlemanly behaviour towards calfs iirc).
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No worries! Sometimes the fingers don't type what the brain wants them to, and then the eyes skip the typo when you proofread. Thanks for clarifying đź’ś
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Yeah, and now my new comment about bull whales is a bit of a non sequiturs. I'm just tired man.
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Or drink milk. Vegetarians don't get a pass.
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I only drink polar bear milk. I find the chalky cod liver oil taste delightful.
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There's whale meat in my steak!?
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