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No you haven't.
So you can't show me how my conclusion isn't sound based on the logic you laid out?
What position have I abandoned? I've simply followed your logic that says anyone who uses the word "manspain" in any context is a bigot.
Show me the inconsistency.
It's an ad-hominem to follow your logic in which you claim that you are now a bigot as a result of this conversation?
Or is it just that your reasoning is beyond goofy?
I'm not comfortable using it
I mean, you've used it soooo many times in this exchange now. You must be a mega-bigot by this point.
How can you even live with yourself?
So then you just need to look inward to see why you're comfortable using a word that makes you bigoted, and you'll have your answer.
Can you do the same with mansplaining? I’d say no.
Literally the usage in this quoted text. Unless you're saying that you're bigoted for using it in that context.
An example of what using the phrase misogynistic without it being derogatory
Yes.
Sure, now is that the only way to use that descriptor? No.
Can you think of an example?
Context implies at times a low opinion
I can't think of a single example of a time where a woman would be assessing a man's behavior towards her, deem it to be misogynistic, but not as a low opinion.
Max comment depth reached. Bringing this back up to where it was first relevant:
It’s by definition discriminatory because it’s a statement of discrimination no one said anything about it being abusive. It’s not just not necessarily derogatory whereas mansplaining always is.
To call a behavior "misogynistic" is to express a low opinion of it, or detract from the character of the person exhibiting that behavior.
Just so we're clear, you believe that using the term "misogyny" is discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of the opposite sex?
When it’s a sexist term
By your definition, misogyny is a sexist term. Maybe that's what you're missing in all of this.
Receipts?
Pug pretty regularly pushes back against tankies, so I would love to see what you're basing that take on...
I mean, I didn't keep a log or anything. But a quick trip through your admin's post history pre-election starts to paint a pretty good picture of what the culture was like there:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/29417533
Correct
Correct about what, exactly? This?
Then so is saying they’re being misogynistic. Simple as.
Because if so, then you've contradicted yourself.
misogynistic isn’t explicitly derogatory while mansplaining always is
So what? Plenty of derogatory words exist, that doesn't mean using them inherently makes you a bigot/sexist/misandrist.
And my point is you didn’t answer the question in your linked comment either.
Yes I did. I even screenshotted it, and linked you to it, but for some reason you're incapable of taking it in. Very odd indeed.
sex specific derogatory terms for things that need not be gendered.
If it wasn't gendered, then it wouldn't be misogynistic and therefore wouldn't be mansplaining. It's a specific form of misogyny, which is gendered.
Also, what's femsplaining?
Saying they’re mansplaining is sexist.
Then so is saying they're being misogynistic. Simple as.
I've asked you repeatedly to square up the difference, but you just keep dodging.
I could, and you could have linked the comment. What’s your point?
My point was obviously that you shouldn't have needed a link or screenshot in the first place.
You still dodged the question
No I didn't.
why do you think a specifically sexist term from it’s very inception isn’t sexist
I don't think that.
Correct.
Perfect! So we agree that a woman can, without herself being a bigot/sexist/etc, believe a man is being misogynistic towards her. You also confirmed this is true for condescension.
And as we've established, mansplaining is misogynistic condescension. Therefore, if it is possible for a woman to believe a man is being misogynistically condescending without herself being a bigot/sexist/etc, by definition it is possible for her to believe he is mansplaining without herself being a bigot/sexist/etc.
You finally got there!
Link doesn’t work for me, you know you can just link comments correct?
You know you can just scroll up a few comments correct? But let me hold your hand some more: https://lemmy.nullspace.lol/comment/4452
This is definitely not new. They were very much pushing the "Kamala and Trump are the same" narrative before the election.