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  • I think Canada would be a lot easier to integrate than Turkey.

    If you compare the people of Canada and Turkey to the people of Ireland, obviously Canada seems easier to integrate. But if you compare the people of Canada and Turkey to that of Greece or Bulgaria, then it's much less obvious. The fact that Turkey has territorial disputes with Cyprus and Greece makes Turkey an unlikely member state, but culturally the people of Turkey (not the political system) are not that much less south-eastern European than Canadians are north-western European.

    But i think practical ease of integration doesn't have to say much. If you look at 'compatibility' also Belarussians would make perfect candidates for integration, but even if they would want it the political reality doesn't allow it. Same has been long true for Northern-Macedonia joining, but in this case the blocking comes from inside forces rather than outside forces. And even where the political reality doesn't allow it, the people might not want it (e.g. Switzerland and Norway right now), the same could appear true for Canada (or Turkey) even if it doesn't seem like that today. If calculation are made, perhaps it might turn out Canada doesn't end up on the receiving ends.

    Would Canadians also be interested in joining if it means increased taxes to pay for the benefits of people on the almost opposite side of the globe? Especially if countries like Morocco and Turkey join at the same time, argument will be made Canadians are paying for the development of those economies. Perhaps they will argue Canada is much better off as a strategic partner than a full-on member state, despite "its legal and cultural institutions grew directly out of European predecessors".

    Either way, it has to be a two way desire, much like a friendship between two individuals. The reasons are less important than the desire. Both could become member for totally different reasons. One might join for economic benefits and the other for military strategic benefits for example, but in either way it in the end the European people (via their representatives) have to agree regardless. Again, the people of Ireland would likely be much more in favour of Canada joining than Greece or Bulgaria would be.

  • You need to imagine a future where this ocean is populated and as active as all the other planet's coastlines.

    That's more a perspective of the coming centuries then it is of the coming decades though. It's not like migration follows gradually and in line with each degree the temperature rises. Also in that scenario the temperature on the Pacific coast lines will likely rise much more then the temperature on the Atlantic coast lines because of the likely collapse of the AMOC (meaning the red line might even expand further south, perhaps making european migration away from the North Pole more likely then migration towards it).

  • There are many people who tried to compare current day wealth to the wealth of historic figures. Those are, afaik, never about hard facts but a way of translating an estimation. This article names 8 trillionaires for example. They give ganghis kahn an estimated $120 trillion, and consider mensa musa so much richer they call his wealth uncrompihensible. You can find similar lists online, i guess the same names will take a similar spot on the ranking, but the numbers will differ. They tend to look at relative wealth (they estimate that Elon Musk has xx % of all money globally and compare that to the estimated percentage of global wealth of a historic figure and translate that to a current day value).

  • I can't imagine the EU letting a semi-democratic country in. It shouldn't happen according to the paper reality, but Hungary made sure it won't happen in the real reality either.

  • You sure about that? The rich will have to pay your childcare! Also, you'll earn at least $20 an hour. Also, your money can't go to overpriced food, because the state will own a place that sells food. On top of that, there won't be any datacenters, so you will be left with enough water, enough electricity and enough land! Doesn't it sound much nicer to have no taxes for the rich? Imagine what they can do with all the money they now don't have to spend on the other people in society. Imagine a world where they can "invest" all of their wealth. Doesn't that sound much better? Think mate!

  • Especially if there was a multi-tier eu where there is a geographic part to it and a (financial) policy part. Australia could easily follow the same product safety / social security laws, and if they are willing to do so they should also have a say. Maybe a bit like Eurovision, you can participate in our politics as long as you don't ask us to travel all the way over there ;).

  • I think if Turkey ever reverts back to a secular democracy, you might change position on that. I think the 'they're Muslim' part is a smaller problem then you (or at least a lot of people) think, and the 'they're not democratic' part will keep them from joining anyway, regardless how anyone feels about it. Turkey really isn't as middle-east as the countries a bit more east.

  • You see this with support for progressive / conservative policies too. Must be countless studies into what the cause is for this effect.

  • I'd argue every race (so far they exist in the first place) could experience all kinds of racism and xenofobia.

    I've heard of Europeans visiting current-day Japan tell of individual racism, where one family would welcome you in sharing their home from a inner need to share; while the family next door might not talk to you, from an inner fear of all things strange and foreign. This is not exclusive to Japan of course. I heard others tell stories of institutional racism in South-America and Africa where white people encounter corrupt officials (a quite common thing in broken countries) and are basically forced to pay double because of their roots. Of course this is nothing compared to the racism by white people enflicted upon the world, especially the last millenium.

    I think in many ways i would agree with the thoughtless digital attack dog we're responding to, but I do not believe it is braindead liberal logic as I don't believe we've encountered a European or North-American individual. It find it more likely to be the cause of anti-western narrative, perhaps from an Asian country. But I do not care why they argue, i care what they argue. And the statement that someone cannot experience racism because of they belong to a specific race is baseless hate.

  • The fact that you equal me to all white people is you putting me in a box based on race. Even worse, the race you assume me to be. The only racist between us is you.

  • You're confusing things there, buddy. You say racism but you describe white supremacy.

    white supremacy, beliefs and ideas purporting natural superiority of the lighter-skinned, or “white,” human races over other racial groups. (www.britannica.com/topic/white-supremacy)

    Saying white people are not able to experience racism is racism, also saying all white people inherently desire white supremacy is racism:

    racism, the belief that humans may be divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called “races”; that there is a causal link between inherited physical traits and traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural and behavioral features; and that some races are innately superior to others. (www.britannica.com/topic/racism)

  • Inhumanely housing people + minimaly feeding them - having them do labour = negative costs

  • White people cannot experience racism.

    That is racism though.

  • What a surprise!

  • I think you were right about opposition being strongest in the capital My experience is big cities are more pro-european in general and rural villages generally more 'pro-region', I don't know about Hungary in particular but i wouldn't be surprised if that were true there too, not just since Orbán left but also in 2022 2021

  • You can extrapolate from the other maps. Too bad they are so small though.

  • You realize the data includes the opinion of non-whites too right?

    And Europeans invented racism? Lol, that vile exists everywhere, and long before there was a European civilization.

  • The little text on the image mentions "the survey was only held in EU countries", the big text on the image doesn't care.

  • Doesn't this only work if you piss them off about something you wanna change like "isn't it stupid how few data centers there are? We all want data centers but these stupid renters with shitty wages are always in our way, we should create build more data centers! We have to throw out the stupid renters and their shitty wages!"