Cowbee [he/they] @ Cowbee @lemmy.ml

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Marxists consider those Socialist, as public ownership is the principle aspect of their economies. This wraps back around to asking what you think Capitalism, Socialism, and Communism are to begin with.

Oh hey, it's the person that conflates Communism with fascism and accuses everyone of being a bot, a sockpuppet, and/or a fascist. Again, I recommend you read Blackshirts and Reds.

Depends on what countries you are talking about, plus what you think Capitalism, Socialism, and Communism even are. I'm speaking from a Marxist perspective.

Your point was that dollar general shoppers are too stupid to connect rising prices with the tariffs everyone is talking about. This is infantilization of the working class.

I don't like the framing of this as "poor people = stupid," but either way China produces everything from the cheapest commodities to high quality machinery, it won't just be Dollar General hit.

JDPON Don is the most committed comrade to the destruction of the US Emprie.

All countries designated as "Communist" are run by Communist parties trying to build towards Communism through Socialism. Communism itself, a global, fully publicly owned economy, has not existed yet, but Socialism, economies where public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, have.

It is common for people to say "Communism/Socialism" has never worked, and yet not know legitimately what the distinctions are between them.

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You did end up helping me make my point about Lemmy.world, so I appreciate that, thanks!

Arming and supporting Israel in their genocide against Palestinians so that the US can secure its economic interests in the region is well-documented. Unsurprisingly, you go on to defend moderators that classify anti-Zionism as anti-semitism, it makes sense that you would consider the DNC's involvement in the Palestinian genocide to be "misinformation." Seems to me that you're just a fan of Zionism, given how hard you bat to defend it.

Can you explain how what I said is trolling, or misinformation? To be clear, you are calling the comments where I called out known transphobes for their transphobia "breaking the rules," as well as calling the DNC complicit in the genocide of Palestinians as "misinformation?"

Unsurprisingly, you go on to defend moderators that classify anti-Zionism as anti-semitism, it makes sense that you would consider the DNC's involvement in the Palestinian genocide to be "misinformation."

Check my modlog, I was permabanned from Political Memes for calling out the DNC's involvement in the Palestinian genocide (with sources), then asking the mods how that broke the rules, which angered them into banning me. I was also temp-banned from ask lemmy for calling out a known transphobe, which the mod defended as "aggressive misinterpretation" on my end (despite the history of that poster's transphobia). I also got permabanned from tankiejerk for giving a nuanced opinion on Socialism from a Marxist perspective, when the post gave an unclear definition.

So no, in my experience, Lemmy.world is filled with censorship, on top of outright defederation from the major Marxist instances. Explain to me how it is "free speech" to create an echo chamber that aligns with the US status quo.

Finally, I am not a mod nor an admin of Lemmy.ml. I don't remove comments or posts. Regardless of how Lemmy.ml is run internally, I have access to far more types of speech through federation, that those on Lemmy.world are deemed not allowed to even see in the first place.

I've had my comments removed from Lemmy.world communities that didn't break the rules, and have not been censored on the Marxist-aligned instances. I could say the same of Lemmy.world, that it seems in my experience to "be run by people that have no intent whatsoever to allow free-speech or fair debate."

Calling out the Democrats for their participation in the genocide of Palestinians is removed as "misinformation," and entire instances going against the standard Lemmy.world political line are defederated, preventing "free speech" before it even has a chance to exist.

I don't think defederation is a bad tool, but I do think using it against large instances and then claiming to be "pro free-speech" is a bit ironic.

Just interacting with it and word of mouth, really. You can check federation, or scroll the drama communities, but at that point it becomes very "tryhard" for social media.

Lemmy.world has an overwhelmingly "US Democratic Party" slant, politically, as far as mods and admins tend to lean. As a consequence, it often censors criticism of the DNC from the Left, and is defederated from instances it disagrees with politically.

I'll emphasize what I said, as I believe I already covered what you're talking about:

People taking issue with the stances and positions Marxists have, or Marxism in general, tend to not like them.

Marxists in general tend to critically support Russia's opposition to US Hegemony (and no further than that), and support "AES" (Actually Existing Socialism) countries like the PRC, Cuba, Vietnam, etc. Not a single Marxist believes Russia post-USSR is Socialist, though the vast majority of Marxists do believe the PRC is Socialist. Exceptions include the Peruvian Marxist-Leninist-Maoists (not to be confused with Marxism-Leninism Mao Zedong Thought, which is Marxism-Leninism under Mao but does not see Mao's contributions as universally applicable), or Trotskyists.

I think you'd better understand the points Marxists make if you spent some time trying to actually understand their viewpoints, instead of misframing them in this manner. What, for example, do you find appealing about Marxism that stands in contradiction to the actual stances Marxists hold, not your misrepresentations of them?

Infrastructure exists within Socialism, too, and in many cases exceeds the level of Capitalist peer countries. Your point doesn't really clarify why we need to continue Capitalism, just why it's progressive compared to Feudalism.

I think Marx is a faster path to understanding surplus value extraction (or perhaps economics textbooks from the USSR/PRC), but people should read Gramsci as well because he has a lot to add to Marxism.

Speaking past each other is IMO the biggest source of friction and division on the fediverse.

Those 3 instances are the biggest Marxist-aligned instances, either implicitly or explicitly. People taking issue with the stances and positions Marxists have, or Marxism in general, tend to not like them. That's about it, really.

Pretty sure the goal of the graphic is to agitate and spark conversation around the premise it fronts, not simply convey the entirety of the Law of Value in a 2 second meme.