Hey, feel free to join us over on https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/85486/Permaban-roll-call !
Also, let me know if you see this kind of weirdness after you have deleted your account proper, https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/91322/Post-ban-and-deletion-weirdness (remember that your account still exists even if permabanned, until you delete it outright).
I don't think the scraping is the full reason. I was not on lemmy/kbin or any other part of the fediverse and I still got this random permaban, in fact it happened before the pricing changes were announced on May 31st.
Also, my username there is different to what I'm using on the fediverse.
Prior to being permabanned I also never used the API for anything. Only used it for the scripts to wipe my account clean (so being permabanned doesn't typically prevent one from creating the API tokens or actually using the API, it seems).
Sadly this means that one must still go through the trouble to manually delete all posts and comments (or use a good tool like shreddit to automate this, see https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/65260/PSA-Here-s-exactly-what-to-do-if-you-hit-the ) and then still delete the account in reddit settings.
Can confirm. Exact same scenario. Being permabanned means having read-only access for the most part, with the sole exception being that one is allowed to edit and delete existing posts and comments.
I'm very sorry if that was taken personally, that's not how I meant it. You and I, discussing the situation here on KBin, aren't trolling anyone.
Gotcha. Glad we got that misunderstanding cleared up.
But a group of users are doing hurtful and troublesome things
Yeah, it's a form of civil disorder. We should keep in mind they aren't doing this because they enjoy causing trouble, but because they feel that basically this is their only way to be heard.
Those who were banned or demoted, I'd need to know the particulars.
That's why I gave links. But would agree it's reasonable to consider this on a case-by-case basis.
Over time, I've come to accept the essential fact of disability accommodation - companies weigh costs
accessibility measures will not be taken at any time.
I guess I should be grateful that I live in a country where things like this are considered a human right. The semi-galling fact about this in reddit's case is that others stepped in to fill that accessibility gap, and reddit basically didn't care and chucked them out the window.
I say semi as reddit does deserve credit for allowing Red Reader et al to survive.
But apparently the only good third party apps with accessible mod tools are going. Here's a recent experience of someone trying to use the builtin mod tools on the official reddit app and giving up in frustration, https://teddit.adminforge.de/r/ModSupport/comments/14jkqiy/thisisthecurrentexperiencemoderatingon/
As far as why I would prefer Reddit survive, it's a combination of
Reasonable, but if reddit goes then something else will rise to replace it. I never used digg but apparently it used to lead on all three of these points, until digg shot itself in the foot and refused to listen to the community - giving the chance for reddit to surplant it.
Hey, deja vu?
I ended up checking a few times via teddit and I noticed the exact same thing. It seems a lot of the non-mod quality contributors have already left.
Those who stayed are probably power users using 3rd party apps. So expect another big drop in quality on July 1st.
I respect your position on the situation.
You say that, but you also say
Have we not outgrown this kind of valueless trolling?
So I'm not sure which one to believe.
I would personally prefer it survive if at all possible.
Okay, I'll bite. Why?
So why intentionally hurt other users, when you know that's what you're doing?
I am not doing this. reddit is the one doing this, by going after their mods unpaid volunteers with demands, and shutting down subs when they can't find replacement mods.
But I'll go further and ask this - what am I specifically doing that is hurting other users? Can you actually identify and name the specific action or actions that I've done that are hurtful? Have I actually taken any action aside from expressing an opinion?
If reddit can't survive just because I've expressed an opinion, then they're already dead.
It's obvious that the company isn't going to change course because they need to get very profitable, very quickly
Usually that's a sign that the company needs to change course. The evidence is that by upsetting the users and community, reddit has lost revenue. Yet reddit continues to shoot itself in the foot.
Do people think it will be a badge of honor that they were still trolling when Reddit died?
Not trolling, expressing my true beliefs.
But yes, I think a badge of honour is deserved for all those who got banned for protestng https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/51891/Mildly-NSFW-Welp-I-guess-that-s-it-The-single-photo https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/71930/Reddit-admins-have-gone-off-the-deep-end-Banned-for-sexual
And for those mods who were removed by reddit https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/69025/The-entire-mod-team-of-r-MildlyInteresting-22m-just-got-the https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/67350/All-mods-on-r-TIHI-have-been-removed https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/65935/Reddit-just-removed-all-the-mods-from-r-self-and-locked https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/59559/Removed-as-moderator-of-r-Celebrities-after-14-years
Perhaps even for those who didn't do anything, and got preemptively banned by reddit anyways, https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/90636/u-Awkwardtheturtle-posting-an-update-on-her-reddit-ban
And for all of their supporters. Remember, we are arguing on the side of the accessibility challenged, https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/66862/r-blind-community-migrates-to-Lemmy
So if that doesn't deserve a badge of honour, then I don't want to know what does.
But they promised they wouldn’t! /sarcasm
So reddit had basically broken the unwritten agreement it had with the community - the ones who gave it content that made it valuable as a company.
If they can’t survive without dishonouring that agreement then maybe it’s not such a bad thing if they don’t survive.
This does kinda explain why reddit is behaving like this. However going too far in cost cutting- well it’s like cutting off your own arms and legs. So reddit as we know it may be doomed either way. Can’t survive if they give into the protests but also can’t survive once the mods and subs have been irreversibly alienated.
The record so far is that without a mod crossing lines the sub just stays restricted. Effectively shutdown.
You may look forward to it but I doubt it will happen.
I hope reddit enjoys the loss of traffic after they shut down this sub. I know I will.
Yeah, you are right. It'd be tough to directly modify PDS as that's javascript in a browser and there are strict restrictions on what JS can do on a filesystem in that case.
But maybe someone can create a browser extension that does the same job. Extensions have fewer restrictions so maybe it could be fueled by a file.
Or maybe someone will some up with some kind of shell script that can read the archive and copy & paste the URLs for each of your posts and comments, one by one, into the javascript console of your browser, allowing PDS to take care of the rest (visiting each one and simulating hitting the edit and delete buttons).
The other issue is that PDS depends on old dot reddit dot com currently from what I understand. If that ever gets dropped, PDS will break until it's updated to work with new reddit.
That's what's so awful about this. Prices were announced May 31st, so for a CCPA request that was done that very instant, they can delay until mid July, when the API changes will make it much more difficult to delete your data, and there's no recourse.
Even for GDPR, maybe you'd get it the day before, for the shorter 30 day limit. But a day of a few hours could easily mean you've gone past and API is also a problem for you.
This is some messed up timing, mates.
There is a way still if you can't wait for a GDPR request, or if you live outside a place where something like CCPA/GDPR applies and you think reddit might actually say no.
Here's what to do in that case: https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/65260/PSA-Here-s-exactly-what-to-do-if-you-hit-the
Ditto for the Canadian PIPEDA.
The caching issue would clear up eventually, just give it some time. The CCPA process is slower, so probably the caching issue would be resolved by the time the courts heard it.
Private is different. What if I posted in a sub like r/BasicIncomeUSA that went permanently private during the blackout and never came back? 30 days, 45 days, still private. Worse, what if it's a sub where the mods all delete their accounts - or they are unresponsive (because they quit using reddit without deleting their accounts).
So yeah, private means that reddit has to be the one doing the deletion, as a regular user may not even have the tools to delete otherwise.
Correct, which is why reddit must ultimately do it. Only they would have access.
Yup, I couldn't see my own comments or posts on subs that were private. When I tried to delete them via API/script it got me an error too.
However, there's an exception. If you are a mod or approved user for a sub, then you can see and edit/delete as normal. I have never tried this scenario but maybe in this case when it go public again, any deletions are undone (because of the caching issue).
That's cool, I didn't know about that. Hopefully someone acts on https://discourse.linuxserver.io/t/kbin-and-lemmy-fediverse-reddit-alternatives/7667 soon.