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  • Well yeah I can agree here, USA is a fucked up country. I'm not from it. They aren't good example of neither capitalism, nor democracy (two parties on a country of the size of EU lol).

    This "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" rhetoric clearly doesn't work for people in capitalist developing countries.

    Why? I am from capitalist developing county, from rather poor (but sane) family. Those, who try, find the options.

    USSR went from literal feudalism to competing in the space race

    USSR was the fucking feudalism. My grandma didn't have her passport till 80s. Without it she wasn't allowed to move from the region, while forced to work at kolgosp.

    USSR took the already wealthy state, with factories and all, and brought it into chaos, murdering people for the ideals of the revolution. And before you say "well they were killing wealthy capitalists so it's OK", ...they even murdered anarchists, also lefties.

    Then they disarmed people. Then they did the literal fucking genocide of Holodomor, stockpiling food that was rotting in the hangars trying to sell it to the West while the people had nothing to eat, and they were executing them for "stealing food".

    But hey, free housing. They were also offering poets free apartments. The catch? The whole building was wiretaped. Half of the residents were 3-letter agencies that monitored all contacts inside the building. And while they were doing genocide, they were forcing local poets to write stuff to glorify the regime, and tortured/sent to camps ones who didn't bend.

    And yeah lol space race. Aka guide to lose your empire without any war. Even USA wasn't ready to this turn of events. The fuckers tried to save USSR from collapse.

    All in all, nothing did as much damage to my people as the fucking commies. And nazies tried their best.

  • Rocket won't do shit. You need people with charges to go in and mine it. If opponent is close, that sapper group could meet enemy fire.

  • free software and free culture are probably two of the most successful and enduring lowkey anticapitalist movements in human history.

    Because they aren't lmao. Big tech predominanly runs linux on it's servers. Big capital isn't being damaged by FOSS, they profit out of it.

    You’re also conflating monetary hoarding, with success of actual use.

    Money = ability to develop more features. Linux is on servers. Linux barely fights the fight to be the gaming PC platform. FOSS completely loss mobile battle, whatever we have there looks more like survival than existence. Money would solve all these issues. Money FOSS didn't attract.

    Dwarf Fortress

    Not open source. See, this doesn't matter in games scenario. Being indie is already a huge plus, and people would buy your game just to support that (if it doesn't suck). Because yes, working on your game nonstop 20 years is something that should be rewarded.

    loaded assumption of private property as something that’s default and justified

    Loaded assumption that I need to justify my private property.

    when someone provides software to you that does not respect your rights to use, study, copy, modify, and share that software, then what they are doing is establishing an unequal - and thus unjust - power relationship over you

    Which is unethical, but not illegal. Because nothing forces your to use that software.

    Surveillance should be illegal, no questions here. User privacy should be sacred, and it should be written into constitutions.

    So people should be allowed to steal, assault others, and kill? Please try to make less sense.

    These are crimes. Immoral things are not crimes. Otherwise we end up in much worse society, like those who enforce moral guidelines of specific religions.

    And in this highly highly specific case, in which you were either too poor or too negligent as a founder to bother getting a real office to run your organization out of

    MY organization? I thought we are talking communism. OUR organization. And I can't supply you with all the means of production, COMRADE. I'm not a WEALTHY CAPITALIST after all. So if you have your own PC and want a job, it's now OUR PC. And if you don't want a job, it means you are social parasite, and we probably better to take your PC anyway.

    Even if you’re using it as a “means of production”, it’s arguable the hardware should still be considered “personal property,” since it blurs a line between something you’re using for work-related activities as well as personal activities, in addition to the fact that no other workers have any kind of stake in it.

    My home server too? What about LLM server rack with tonnes of videocards? Who draws this line, and why anyone draws this line for the stuff I buy with my own money? Is that what you think freedom is?

    But even in your new scenario, how is the outlandish idea of someone coming to your house to take your pc even in the realm of realistic possibility?

    I'm from post-soviet country. I've seen this mentality in action.

    which implies a single person, doing their own thing - a freelancer

    A -> B, where A is false.

    Why do I need to be freelancer? Maybe I'm a vigilant builder of the new society, who noticed a KULAK who owns his own PC, and I want to help him by donating his PC for the GREATER GOOD?

  • Today, 4 billion people live on less than $10 a day.

    Yeah, I lived in Ukraine. You should also mention that $10 could buy you different stuff in different regions of this planet.

    How many billions around the globe suffer and die unnecessarily in capitalist countries?

    There is no intent to let people suffer and die. There are all the liberties for every human in capitalist country to do anything they want to in order to live a happy wealthy live. Not everyone end up being successful.

    It should never be equated to state-driven genocide.

    the goal of communism is to eradicate the state entirely

    Bullshit. This is just state-driven propaganda, a new religion that replaces an old one, which, as we know, is opium of the people.

    Nobody gives up power willingly. Especially absolute power the authoritarian communist countries provide.

  • Communists killed millions without any wars.

    PCs are needed to create lots of different goods. Where do we put them? The classification is vague.

  • Software development can be a place with employees, it's not limited to freelance. So I don't really get your point.

    Government, and thus, laws, aren't supposed to be the moral guide. This is not a church. As much as I dislike proprietary software, it's their right to do so.

    And it's completely on users that we tolerate that, instead of voting with our money by donating to FOSS. But then again, if you compare how much money you can get from selling proprietary software and from donations on FOSS, it's clear that FOSS isn't doing great, cause they haven't find a way to attract the same volume of money.

  • Uh-huh. How do we define means of production? Can I come to your home and take your PC? I mean that's means of productions alright. So it shouldn't be privatized, and thus, traded.

    (are we seriously discussing communism supporting free market? are we seriously considering communism as a sane ideology? what next, try nazism, because real nazism was never tried?)

  • Free market IS human freedom.

  • So you want to change the name of ideology, that postulates free market relations as important part of human freedoms? Fine, it can be Classic Liberalism if you want.

  • Early 30 here. Mobile phones only started being accessible when I was like in 5th year of school, smartphones, like proper ones, android/ios - that was closer to my university days. Before that we had different phones with good displays but controlled by buttons, you could play games on those too, but lot simpler ones.

    What I'm trying to say, your gen is about the first one to experience "smartphone was here always" vibe.

  • It devolved into it in the first years of tries and failures, which was under Lenin's rule.

  • Yes, but how they compare to the rest of the market competitively?

  • It devolved into autherianism as soon as bolsheviks took over, and that was right at the beginning. Stalin was a catastrophe because he was more wicked than the rest of them, but it doesn't mean that whatever Lenin was doing wasn't authoritarian project.

  • It devolved because people take democracy for granted. And unlike USSR, it can heal without falling apart if people start acting like citizen (I don't have high hopes btw).

  • Oh but they did try. You just prefer to ignore it, but soviet union did attempt different tricks from the communist rulebook - moneyless society was tried and failed, so they had to fall back to working practices from capitalist rulebook and promise the people "communism in the brighter future".

    Same way communism was tried in Makhnovschina, Gulyay Pole (south-eastern Ukraine). Stateless, anarchy driven flavour of such. USSR killed all of them and then killed everyone who visited the funeral, btw, so they were afraid of them A LOT. What can we learn from anarchy? That Ukrainian farmers who were not forced into communist state preferred to have monetary relationships :-)

  • If left alone, it would do the "world revolution" aka military expansion. And that is exactly what it did all the way up to ww2, including the start of ww2 - occupation of Poland together with nazies.

  • Still multitudes better than soviet union at any time and period.

  • It's easy to get good results with capital from capitalist system and throw it into welfare. But you are taking about communism as a core system.

    We don't see good examples of it because it fails incredibly fast, and then leaders who tried to build communism understand it, but aren't willing to acknowledge mistake because they will lose power. Thus, they continue to build autocracy.

    If communism as economic system works, we first need to prove it as successful PLC of a smaller scale, such as a company that produces something being fully community led from the inside using communist principles, and for such company to be able to compete on the market.

  • I think if you send like a dollar to everyone on your playlist, it would end up being like 100 times more than they get from the system.