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  • Yes there is absolutely tons of horrific cases of lynching and race motivated killings in the USA's history as well as current day. I'm not disputing that. There is also a considerable history of the government and accelerationist groups using tragedies like this suicide to create violent riots and social unrest. Especially considering the current administration. We need to look at current evidence and react accordingly. Giving the fascist any reason to further crack down hurts everyone but the elites. My heart breaks for the victim and the family 100%. I'm not against further investigation either. If foul play is discovered ANYONE involved should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But, until we have any evidence at all that suggests that we need to stay objective.

  • Claims gaslighting while blatantly spreading a false narrative that the family has even stated is false.

  • That's your response to me saying the facts you tried to present have been proven untrue? You're the one gaslighting and spreading unproven information because you desperately want it to help the narrative you've created for the world.

  • He said yes

  • https://wonder.cdc.gov/

    https://www.cdc.gov/nvdrs/

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/74/ss/pdfs/ss7405a1-H.pdf

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/ss/pdfs/ss7305a1-H.pdf

    "Hanging/Suffocation Suicides: According to CDC WONDER data, hanging and suffocation accounted for approximately 25–26% of all suicide deaths in recent years.

    Public Place Suicides: NVDRS data indicates that about 22–25% of all suicides occur in public places.

    Estimation: By applying the public place percentage to the hanging/suffocation suicides, we estimate that approximately 10–15% of hanging/suffocation suicides occur in public places."

  • I take the story personally and thats probably unhealthy.... Shocking amount of suicide and denial of that suicide in my personal life. Anyway, I couldn't get that data together specifically the way you wanted. Closest I could gather was a listing of public suicides over a ten year span 2013-2023.On average around 45,000 people commit suicide a year, about 12,000 of that by hanging. Public is where the numbers got more difficult but there is some info out there, I'll post it below. Numbers below represent a single year based on averages from the 10 year span. So its not common but also nowhere near close to unheard of. I had an AI try to compile specifically hanging public suicides and it said between 10-15% of hanging suicides happen in public. I can include the prompts I used to get you there if you dont trust me. Sources it used were the CDC, National Center for Health Statistics and the National Violent Death Reporting System.

    Motor vehicle — 2,363.

    Natural area — 1,895.

    Street or highway — 1,209.

    Hotel or motel — 1,032.

    Park/playground/sports/athletic area — 719.

    Parking lot / public garage / public transport — 700.

    Jail or prison — 654.

    Commercial / retail area — 475.

    Bridge — 323.

    Railroad tracks — 285.

    Hospital / medical facility — 178.

  • Yeah, I pointed out the currently available evidence. Also disproved the legitimacy of a parallel situation. The misinformation got significantly more upvotes as the factual information and article I linked. People want this to be a hate crime and no amount of proof will dissuade them from believing it is.

  • Solid

  • That's close to how I feel.

  • Understood.

  • If you genuinely believe its child abuse, do you think legislation should be created to outlaw it?

  • That's reasonable. Enemy of my enemy and all that jazz.

  • That's honest

  • That's fair. You're morally and intellectually superior but you don't HATE anyone. That's been the general consensus I've seen so far.

  • That's consistent with all the other comments you've left.

  • I value yours, I dont really care what you think of mine lol.

  • Just to be clear, I'm an agnostic (likely atheist) liberal democrat, mechanical engineer and consider myself a pragmatic person. I'm trying to understand opinions and consider how they clash with my personal experiences in life so far. I don't necessarily think religious people are inherently bad or good. Do you have a specific stance on why someone would choose to engage with a religion? Based on other comments, it seems like you think religious people just want a reason to feel superior to others. Would you say thats accurate?

  • That's an interesting point of view.

  • I'm not a religious person. I had a long argument with a friend about the subject. I also spend a bit too much time reading reddit and lemmy comments. You can choose to think the question is in bad faith but I'm just trying to have a discussion and understand how people think on the subject.