Hexbear users' OFFICIAL statement on the preemptive defederation of lemmy.world from hexbear.net
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This is why I don't like open source shit. Like fine, let people audit the code, but it should be copyrighted or whatever, so that the leftists who developed it can control it. Why are we giving libs and fascists a lifeboat?
There are other Reddit clone softwares other than Lemmy, you know. All that would happen if you close sourced Lemmy would be that everyone would just move to Kbin or something. The liberal/fascist instances would still exist, but we wouldn't get the benefit of contributed code.
Lemmy already has a hard-coded slur filter to discourage use by rightists. For a right-wing instance to use Lemmy, they have to edit out the slur filter from the source code first.
nah the slur filter is no longer hardcoded. it's editable from the admin panel and has been for ages. That's still the first thing that triggered "centrists" bring up when lemmy is mentioned though. Wellll, now #1 might be calling the devs CCP shills, but it is somehow still a talking point because one early-days ycombinator thread about lemmy got all up in arms about it.
So cool that we removed the slur filter to placate libs.
That's not really what happened.
So cool that we made slur filtering optional on our leftist platform.
That better for you?
You need to relax. I didn't elaborate because I don't want to have this argument again.
need to hardcode pronouns in imo
As a person who uses a bunch of open source software, hard disagree. As long as someone keeps their politics out of their software, I don't give a shit what their politics are. Also, people who are into open source tend to be at the very least "anti-authoritarian" (you'll notice I put that in quotes, because ancap people really fucking suck, even if they are, technically, "anti-authoritarian"). I dunno, copyright isn't the answer to bad political opinions, even if in this particular instance it might work ok for us. I'd much prefer shaming people who have bad political opinions. Let them commit changes to code, but tell them their opinions are bad and they should feel bad.
(I'm also drunk, so this may be incoherent, please cut me a little slack, thanks!)
As long as someone keeps their politics out of their software
That's not a thing you can do.
I in principle don't really disagree with what you two are saying. I mainly think copyright is hugely shitty and even if we can get the occasional win by using it for good, we should think long and hard before doing so. Intellectual property is a property relation that I think can be extremely radicalizing for people. I know it was for me; how can you "own" a song, or several thousand lines of code, or words put next to each other in a specific way? I want leftists be loud and clear that copyright is supremely stupid. But, I know this is a little idealist of me. We live in the real world and it's currently a capitalist world
so sometimes you have to use the tools available, even if those tools are as shitty as copyright law.I will also point out that code isn't culture. A while-loop is a while-loop is a while-loop. If you're making art of any sort, then yes, your politics are always going to shine through, but I don't think the same is true of code in the same way. For instance, the linux kernel was made by noted asshat Linus Torvalds and GNU was developed by noted asshat Richard Stallman. Now, of course, the linux kernel and GNU respectively are absolutely the product of a huge number of people working together, especially these days, because huge projects like that are impossible for one person to develop on their own. And the open source world has no doubt lost talented people because most of the big names in open source development are awful, horrible people. And that sucks. I'm definitely not trying to excuse the Torvalds and Stallmans of the world, I'm just trying to say that the code they wrote was good, even though they themselves are awful human beings.
We (rightfully) make fun of people who pretend you can keep politics out of culture, why do you assume code is any different?
supports copyright, calls other people libs
Open source also supports copyright, directly and indirectly.
Dismantling copyright requires control of the government, not picking clever licenses. Non-free software with morality clauses tend to be unenforceable ans free software tends to benefit private corps, amounting to free labor.
Check out what Meta is doing with Threads.
You're both wrong comrades :). There is no escape short of revolution.
Even copyleft is only a tactic in the world in which the US uses police force and violence to ensure companies can use it and take it away from you. It was a necessary tool.
Supports giving libs a platform to say slurs, mad about using copyright to prevent libs from saying slurs.
Yeah but have you considered lemmy being opensource makes techbro chuds mald.
Good, let them do it somewhere that isn't Lemmy.
Counterpoint: it was broken as fuck before the flood of new people (which, statistically speaking, is approximately equal to libs libs libs) and they finally got volunteers who fixed up the database queries or whatever.
And, now there is a better chance for lib->left pipelines opening up without reddit/twitter/etc being able to shut it down arbitrarily when it hits /all/ and have most people too attached to the rest of the centralized monopoly site to move to its remote one-topic bunker site. We now have critical mass in a network that's far easier to draw users from.