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Lemmy.world Admin Statement on Defederating Hexbear

lemmy.world Lemmy.world Hexbear Statement - Lemmy.world

Yesterday, we received information about the planned federation by Hexbear. The announcement thread can be found here: https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770 [https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770]. After reviewing the thread and the comments, it became evident that allowing Hexbear to federate would vio...

The rhetoric and goal of Hexbar are clear based on their announcement: to “dismantle western propaganda” and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.” It’s to push their beliefs and ideology.

lol. lmao even

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  • Lmao, my favorite reply must be the one talking about "muh echo chambers bad" while supporting defederating anything they don't want to hear

    The liberal brain is a sight to behold

    • Like, we literally don't want to be an echo chamber. We didn't CHOOSE to leave Reddit. We CHOSE a federated social media platform with the intent of communicating with other communities. This got derailed for a few years for historical reasons, but the intent was there in the beginning and it is finally being followed through on.

  • Looooool they're freaking out about how we're gonna brigade them and post pigpoopballs everywhere and their evidence of this is a quote from a hexbear post that's explicitly like "brigading them and posting pigpoopballs everywhere would be funny but unhelpful, don't do that"

  • I'm trying to put myself behind their lib eyeballs and understand what exactly is meant to be sinister and threatening about the Hexbear statement of federation guidelines. like it's all very explicitly "hey, be normal, be communist, but don't fuck with people for no reason," and apparently that was enough to get the little Bircherites in their head printing pamphlets. Really shows that the mere existence of communist views is so threatening that they don't even have to explicitly state that that's the problem.

    • that's literally it. it's like cuba. cuba poses absolutely zero material threat to the US or its people. its mere existence however acknowledges ways of ordering society to value human life outside the hegemon. the threat is entirely ideological. there is literally only The West and her glorious, infallible institutions for these people. the threat is more people inside the core seeing the cracks in the facade, which are so plainly visible from outside.

  • There’s a difference between liberal left (which is what a majority of rational, secular people belive in), honest far-left, which is about socialist economics, eat the rich, BLM/anti-racism, anti-cop, gender abolition, human rights, actual anti-colonialism etc. and the kind of “far-left” that is “anti-west”, which isn’t really about honestly discussing these issues, but rather about dividing people, being contrarian to established things that work and make sense, and trying to paint everyone who disagrees even a tiny bit as the scum of humanity.

    Seriously, it's like they almost understand what they're doing. Just one tiny little step away from realizing that they're nationalists, pure and simple. You'd think they will come out as basic chud tomorrow, but i've seen it, they can spend their whole life just plain lying to themselves. Is it stigma attached to the word itself, or just a plain old westoid political illiteracy?

    • I'm often critical of Sakai's Settlers but seeing these people try to generate a pro-west form of leftism is quickly changing my mind. They're addicted to their own imperialism and can't separate it from their political views.

    • There’s a difference between liberal left (which is what a majority of rational, secular people belive in), honest far-left, which is about socialist economics, eat the rich, BLM/anti-racism, anti-cop, gender abolition, human rights, actual anti-colonialism etc. and the kind of “far-left” that is “anti-west”, which isn’t really about honestly discussing these issues, but rather about dividing people, being contrarian to established things that work and make sense, and trying to paint everyone who disagrees even a tiny bit as the scum of humanity.

      How's that liberal left working out for ya?

    • I was recently pretty left but mostly supportive of Ukraine/NATO (

      ) the mind snakes are sorta deep there. I think* we'd have a lot more success avoiding/not engaging on that topic as it activates some serious self defense denialism on good intentioned people, and bad faith actors will purposefully engage on this to make sure everyone else force fields are up.

      • Don’t give in to tone policing because that’s the thin end of the salami slicing wedge. We don’t have to appease them, we can’t appease them, and we don’t gain from appeasing them so don’t appease them.

        The reason why they can’t tolerate anti-NATO dissent is because they’re nationalists and imperialists. Maybe you don’t like Russia, there are plenty of reasons not to, but silencing anti-NATO sentiment doesn’t help any leftist cause and the libs won’t be happy until you’re an imperialist just like them so don’t bother engaging in the exercise of “reaching across the aisle to find common cause”, that’s lib shit and it won’t work because they will continue to brow beat you and feign moral outrage until you’re exactly supporting their position.

      • No, that won't work. I've seen even basic

        fencesitters declared ЯUZZIAN BOTS, what can it do for us? They're GOING TO bring it up regardless. I mean yes, we shouldn't count on our position on the war to be a selling point for baby leftists, but we can't really downplay it. They won't let us.

  • red fascist tankie authoritarian totalitarian stalinist lemmy.world mods are violating our natural right to free speech

  • Says it would violate their rules, fails to cite a single rule that would be broken.

    Pretty obvious that they're just cowards trying to have a double standard about what is a political agenda and what is not (may they someday graduate high school and learn that banning an instance for criticizing NATO and the IMF is a pretty decisive political action).

  • To clarify, for those who have inquired about why Hexbear versus Lemmygrad, it should be noted that we are currently exploring the possibility of defederating from Lemmygrad as well based on similar comments Hexbear has made.

    they hate the idea of us so much that they're willing to defederate with Lemmygrad who have done nothing wrong because they sound like Hexbears

  • Defederation should only be considered as a last resort

    We made the decision to preemptively defederate from Hexbear

    lol.

    This would be less tiresome if he just admitted that he hates socialists as his motivating reason. The rest of it just sounds like he's working from his conclusion backwards to find justifications.

  • And people were so worried about federation when in all probability, the loser and shit instances full of libs and fash would rush to defederate us first after seeing our post count lmao. The rest of Lemmy either fear us or look upon us with awe.

  • I think it's a shame, some of the lemmy.world users would like it better here if they had the opportunity to find it

  • Because “critical of western propaganda” is a front for promoting authorianism and intolerance.

    Cyberbullying is not enough. I want to find this "person", beat them up, and piss in their mouth.

  • The replies are fucking wild.

    I love how we're like scary china/russia funded propagandists focused on pushing our ideology to these people when in actuality we're a bunch of of goobers who love shitposting.

  • Lol.

    Lemmy.world wasn't on the original allowlist that people voted on, and I'm not sad that we're not federating with the off-brand vanilla-flavored redditors at .world.

    I still hope that we manage to stick it out with the hobby communities tho.

  • I was one of the people who voted against federating at all, but seeing them pre-emptively lose their fucking minds over just the idea of federating with us is extremely funny

  • Copied from other thread:

    Lol at all these fucking dorks acting like this is some pre-emptive anti brigading measure. These fucking losers don’t know the meaning of being brigaded. We do, not because we do it, but because the brigading has been incessant since this place started.

    Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t being federated make brigading MORE difficult, not less? If nothing else it seems like it would have 0 effect either way.

    Honestly fuck these clowns anyway. I was and still am open to federation because I love seeing this place grow but by the same token we knew shit like this would happen. Although I’m surprised by how quickly. Hopefully the reasoning is technical and not ideological. But seeing the kind of brain genius politics understanders in that thread makes me feel like we aren’t missing out. The curious and open minded will make their way here or to the other leftists instances on their own.

    I lurked on Reddit for literally like a decade. Never once made an account. Just seemed like a waste of time. I remember realizing early on without having the vocabulary for it that; social media, while an amazing tool for connecting people in theory, under capitalism, it ultimately only ever serves to deepen our alienation from each other by creating a means to commodify our social interactions. Again, didn’t understand it in those terms, but I just had this feeling in my gut that I have since been able to put words to thanks to Marxism. Reddit was no exception to that feeling and really worse in a lot of ways because of its utility as an aggregator. It has had this incredibly hegemonic effect on the culture of the internet that has made it very hard to avoid, even for someone like myself who avoids social media as a rule.

    And I’m glad I made that rule for myself, because unsurprisingly social media has become almost unavoidable as the rate of profit continues to decline. It represents too much theoretical profit to not try and steer everyone in like a cattle chute. And what I have observed from my passing and vicarious observation of social media as it has developed is that it has only become shittier and more alienating. Reddit being a fantastic example of this. I’m glad I didn’t invest a significant amount of my time and energy effort posting (seems to be my only mode of posting) into the void without even the reward of real human relationships. Real names and faces and human warmth.

    The internet is a deeply lonely and alienating place and it has only gotten worse during the time I have been alive to observe it.

    I was intrigued when I observed the hushed tones the CTH sub was discussed in and to my surprise I found nothing truly objectionable. it Is objectively cool and good to kill slave owners. Mainly it seemed like people who were painfully aware that things didn’t have to be this way and that it was better to at least have a laugh about how fucked things are. It felt like people who desperately wanted to be hopeful but knew how far this world is from a path worth being hopeful about. But knowing all the while that path was and still may be possible. It all just felt very human. When R/CTH was banned I had a feeling my days of lurking on Reddit would soon come to an end.

    Then through a link in a comment section I found this place, and after lurking a little I did something very out of character for me, made an account and joined the discussion.

    This has to be one of the last oasis of human warmth and goodness on the internet. Not a place full of people trying to get famous and start a media career. Not boomers driving each other insane with literal fake news. A place for people to spend their precious unalienated time and labor discussing and posting about stuff they love. And one of the big things being how to make human society a better and more equitable place while we’re still alive. There’s something beautiful about that. The early internet was full of stuff like that, less ideological, but still hopeful. Now those days are all but gone. And I must say what keeps me here over lemmy grad is all the other stuff, the daily music posting and just sharing of interests. Charming characters like @Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net Even as I become more ideologically rigid, it is that human silliness that keeps me grounded. This place has a lot of that and it’s why I’m so grateful for the users here and the hard work the mods and admins put it cultivating and maintain this culture. As a cis person I love the culture of enforced tolerance. I’ve gained so much from being exposed to the nuances and challenges of the trans experience thanks to the users here.

    I guess all I’m trying to say is that almost every other social media platform I have ever used ultimately leaves me feeling empty, alienated, and one little bit closer to madness. This place is the complete opposite and coming here everyday helps me remember that I’m not alone in thinking that things don’t have to be like this. And that we should fight for a better and more equitable society while we’re still alive. And that I am not alone in that fight, indeed the fight cannot be fought unless we work together.

    I’m rambling here but I just get so misty eyed when I get exposed to another instance because it feels so much more alienating to me. And this thread really set me off because of all the smug assholes acting like they can read one post and understand our elaborate brigading and disinformation operation/cult. (Sic of course)

    I’m just very grateful for this place and when I see all of these shit libs utterly misinterpreting that post about being well behaved in other instances it just reminds me of how insane some of the other corners of the internet can make you feel and specifically myself during the 2015/2016 election cycle. These people have really just completely lost all connection to reality and so who fucking needs them. If they find a way back on their own, good, we can’t make anyone change their mind. A big o7 to @Awoo@hexbear.net for trying their damndest though.

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