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Having a mandatory "these government/nations are above criticism" stance is just nationalist fascism, no different to MAGA fascism.
If a nation can't be criticised or questioned, it can't be improved, and is dead in some serious way. .ml users should be embarrassed for staying there. The standards you walk past are the ones you accept.

Poor dude was new and just didn't know what was going on, or even the atmosphere where they posted the question. Lmao I really need to migrate a piefed instance stat.
- This is precisely why more instances should ~~defend~~ defed .ml
  They make the onboarding experience shitty for new users who haven't built up some immunity to tankie brain rot
  
  defend -> defed*?
  This is one of many reasons I have autocorrect off. lol
  
  Lemmy.cafe does this :)
  
  ~~Pixelfed~~ isn't really a drop in replacement
  Edit:Piefed isn't Pixelfed

Lmao I saw that post a bit ago and was like “hah yep ban incoming 😬”
- Gotta love the end date, too: 9/11 - like, really?!?
  
  It probably was a 1 month ban (30 days) so just an unfortunate coincidence
- You hang out on lemmyml?
  That place is toxic
  
  I lurk mostly

Nobody asked for one, but I got a pretty good explanation for why this is what why this is happening.
ML's on lemmy are predominantly of the "deprogram" variety (in reference to the deprogram podcast and r/thedeprogram being quite large on reddit), and generally they're a laughing stock given the narratives they parrot that are so de-attached from the material reality and their various mannerisms when it comes to arguing. One of the larger narratives is that the west and western imperialism is horrible (which is true), and that whoever is opposed to it must be a force for good or something, which manifests as uncritical support for China, Russia, Iran even though they're both imperialist bourgeoisie states too.
I see some people claim that they're some paid Russian shills, which is wrong. They do it for free, with a genuine belief because that's what their community says and does.
- So a "got some insight but stopped thinking at 8" case?
- Yes, I know some people like this irl, and they are definitely ideological.
  It's true that most of us in the "West" are in a bubble and don't realise just how bad the imperialism caused by our countrymen has been, and continues to be. Like, we fuck the rest of the world so hard, we just call it economics.
  I don't have any answers on how to solve that, unfortch. I'm just a helpless citizen of the empire watching my surplus income go to inflicting starvation on children before they get shot in the stomach...

I was surprised they didn't remove the thread
But then I understood
They ban everyone that accuses them of censoring, or being tankies, or speaking against china and russia, and they keep their tankies' comments so people are convinced
- Yeah, I mean, I saw this post and was kind of wondering the same thing myself. But I didn't comment because whoooo- what a lightning rod of a post. No thanks getting that shit on my shoes.

That mod in those countries would be made to disappear for the pronouns in his name, then tortured until he admits to raping children.
- They have the pronouns to pretend to be on the left, when in reality they're more alligned with Neo-Nazis
- What do you mean by the last part? You're saying they'll force him to say things that are untrue?
  
  Yes, and Russia is quite infamous for this. There are "anti-pedophile" (read: anti-gay) groups, that torture gay men until they admit they raped kids, on camera.

Sweet, yet another instance to block
- You’ll notice that it’s still .ml making questionable decisions.
  Edit: noticed you’ve only been here for 4 months. Lemmygrad and hexbear are also worth blocking
  
  Without checking, no shot blahaj federates with those. Still a good edit note for instances that do though.
  
  It should be mentioned that several instances has already defederated from lemmygrad and hexbear.
- block the triad, .ml, hexbear, lemmygrad. also block politics.world too, but not the instance.
  
  libs passing up the opportunity to call it a "troika" is just sad

you guys have no idea how much money goes towards the russian propaganda machine
- putin literally funds it, billions on this troll farms. plus he funds other right wing groups or media as well.
- No. How much?
- Seriously, BRICS overall, with slave labor factored in (because most bots are slaves, not computers, NPR did a story on it), and all the illegal and illicit videos put/hosted online for blackmail, plus the crypto scams and romance scams, has to be in the trillions. It's literally a new type of warfare more deadly than drones.

lmfao what’s up with all these bootlickers?
- They understand that the US does bad things, but have a black-and-white worldview that brings them to the conclusion that anyone who opposes the US must be heroes. They don't understand that both sides of a conflict can be shitty.

I've noticed a lot of people seem to have the mentality "US bad, therefore the enemies China and Russia are good"
Sure, the US is an imperial power that pushes others around. Doesn't stop Russia and China from also doing bad things.
Stop the high school drama thinking.

banned until 9/11 if thats american date's
- They call it the happiest time of the year for a reason.
  Lots of people are forgiving on that date.

Declaring a boycott after you've been banned from a community is certainly a vibe.
- Well the reason for the boycott is partially due to the nonsensical bans

The US coordinated the disinformation campaign, and has been for a very long time.
- Russia and China, on the other hand? Entirely straightforward and transparent in their reporting. No disinformation campaigns there, no sir.
  
  i think russia takes the #1 in the aggressive propaganda platforms out there, they devote significant resources to do it too. hence why you see the sudden rise of right wing governments all over the world, the porn bans, age verfication.
  
  One of the lines I see repeated with every business cycle is "China is lying about their economic data". Like, quarter after quarter, year after year, decade after decade.
  
  At some point, you have to engage in a bit of meta-criticism. Why do you believe an enemy nation-state is secretly failing when only the lay residents of the rival power seem to be aware of it? What is your crystal ball and how is it showing information that's more reliable than the Goldman Sachs trading desk or the IMF analytics department?
  So much of the time it seems like Yeomni Park is the source for every American's understanding of the outside world. And anyone who asserts a contrary view must be a shill, a bot, or a political extremist.
  
  Ehh, I guess you can lean into the capitalist garbage if you’d like. The US is having a swell time.
- Did you notice that the US was not involved in this conversation at all until @Subdivide6857@midwest.social brought it up? That the US is in fact entirely irrelevant to this discussion of blatant censorship and partisanship on Lemmy.ml?
  This is a perfectly clear and obvious example of the whataboutism game that tankies love to play. This user should only be ridiculed for their transparent attempts at distraction and deflection. Otherwise, do not engage.
  
  You bet, bud. The US is the reason for the disinformation campaign. The US is always involved in the imperialist game. That’s not whataboutism. You have these feelings due to the US. It’s not even difficult to sift through the shit. You’re lazy.
- more significant damage was done by russian disinformation/misinformation, through various media and people and grifters, get out of your high horse.
  
  Post-Soviet Russia is the fruit of the US labor. They’re no longer commies.
- Mental illness.
  Let's hope one you end in a russian internment camp.
  
  The camps are in the country full of freedom. So much freedom, all of it, basically.
- This is Russian Disinformation. And anything that suggests otherwise is also Russian Disinformation. And if you argue with me you're a Russian Bot. And don't even think about downvoting. You'll only make me wave my American Flag harder while singing the national anthem louder.
  
  A world without whataboutism would certainly be a world where we heard less from tankies like you.

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