[Vote] Should we defederate hexbear?

Say “aye” or yes" if you are in favour defederation.

Say “nay” or “no” if you are against defederation.

Only users who have a sh.itjust.works account can vote. Fresh accounts won't be counted.

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Hey all,
I will be locking this voting thread as they do not conform to the Agora guidelines.
Voting threads should run from Friday to Friday
Voting threads should be started by a member of The Agora moderation team and must reference the discussion thread.
In addition, it appears that hexbear has reversed their decision and has removed us from their allowed list.
As Lemmy looks to add the ability for users to decide which instances they want to blocked on a per user basis, I hope these types of defederation conversations discussion become less common.
I'd like to give a thanks to the admin at hexbear carc0sa who reached out to us in the last week in order to coordinate some mutual moderation between instances.
Lastly over the last week I've read a lot of back and forth between instances and want to leave you with this.
As people we all have the right to our own opinions and beliefs. Sometimes from time to time we might come across someone who doesn't share these same opinions or beliefs. Instead of using these differences as reasons to divide us, I hope we as people can get to a point where we can use it to make us more understanding, knowledgeable, accepting and united.
As things such as Natural Disasters continue to rise globally there might be a day where the person who you disagree with is the same person who is helping you or a loved one. It won't matter if they are a leftist, rightist, white, black, LGBTQ. What will matter is whether they are a decent human being who understands that while opinions make differences they can choose to not be divide by it.

Yes.
I’m sensitive to racial issues but the way they go about discussing them devalues them in the same way that I used to devalue them, and reliving my mistakes in every comment section is killing me. Also, everything turns into twitch chat after they arrive.
- Sorry to hear that
- Rascist sad that they get called pit on their rascism
  
  Former* racist sad to find people repeating their mistakes by getting swept into a group of “satirists” just doing “a little trolling.” I wish you expediency in finding your “former” in the future. Only you can do it, my race baiting friend.

Aye. If I want to see their content I can read it on a hexbear amount. They just flood my feed with memes and only barely tangentially related comments that are trying to bait people into saying something that they think gives them the high ground. They're like the arch Linux users of identity politics.
- It's funny how the faux-leftists accuse us of hating idpol and the more open reactionaries accuse us of being monolithically concerned with it.
  
  I don't think you're monolithic at all honestly. The the fact is, hexbear isn't a hivemind, is a lot of different people. There's just a very vocal minority that makes your instance look bad.

Aye.
I knew that the toxicity of reddit was affecting me, but I didn't realize just how much until the move to Lemmy back in June. Everything was just so nice, people just happily chatted in comments, most disagreements were talked through or an "agree to disagree" arrangement was reached. Seeing the rude, angry people and the trolls creep back in was so disappointing (though I do realize it's inevitable. I used to mod forums back in the day.) Having a good chunk of those negative types on one instances is a positive thing, though. With the tools at hand, we can nip it in the bud by just blocking the lot of them.
Something I think people forget in all these many posts about blocking instances is that blocking is not a permanent thing. The mods aren't hitting the big red button and nuking the instance from existence forever. It can be undone. Times change, people change, forums/subreddits/instances change as they age. If it looks like things may have improved in a blocked instance, the ban can be lifted.
- Thank you for the read!

Aye.
They're obviously here just to troll and brigade. The offer nothing of value, while making this instance more annoying.

Aye.
I was going to vote against it on principle, but I'm just really tired of their shit.

Aye. They're more or less another Exploding Heads: an echo chamber with a potent and very precise set of opinions which they smear all over any wall they can find.
- Ah yes, the fascists and the antifascists are exactly the same. You can tell we're exactly like nazis because of how much we hate racism, homophobia, and all other forms of bigotry!
  
  Tbf you guys do the r/conservative thing of banning dissenting opinions in your own spaces while making dissenting opinions/attacks 100% of your personality in others spaces. It's hypocrisy.
  Also calling everyone a bigot doesn't help fight nazis, it helps nazis blend in with normal people by creating a huge club of people branded 'bigots' by your movement
  I voted against defederation fwiw but my opinion is rapidly changing as I see how you conduct yourselves
  
  Ayup, there it is: you've completely missed what I actually said, which is a commentary on the manner in which Hexbear users comport themselves, and jumped directly to the exact same copy-paste talking points. Thanks, mate, you couldn't have made my point better if you'd tried.

Aye
As much as it's funny watching tankies whataboutism and fake outrage, it gets to be too much with their spam taking up most of the oxygen in the room.
Hexbear behaves like the average /b/ /r9k/ /pol/ user

Aye
Check back when we can whitelist individual members who have proven their ability to post in good faith on other instances. Or in ten years to see if Hexbear's culture isn't toxic anymore.

I'm just sitting here on Kbin wondering what the hell is happening, and eating a cookie.
Anyone else want a cookie? They're peanut butter chocolate chip!
Edit: oh ok I read about whats happening. Wow. What a mess. You guys seem to hate eachother with a passion so I feel like defederating is the only way to keep things from being a constant flame war. Though I will say I definitely lean towards the "hexbear is a little batshit" side of the argument lol.
- I’d also like a cookie while I also wander out from Kbin to read about what’s happening.
  Edit: I don’t see it. Suggesting defederation of an entire instance seems extreme. I’m genuinely curious what am I missing?
  
  https://sh.itjust.works/post/4188546
  One of several spicy threads in the SJW main community right now. I'm not actually sure how to link that properly.

Aye
- flan! you're so silly, you're from hexbear!
  
  thats ok im pro-defederation

Aye. The trolling and brigading needs to stop.

Hexbear users remind me of the lulzsec days. They used to think they were special but really they were just fucking annoying.

Yes.

not sure if my vote is counted since I made the thread
Nay (for now)
I like messing with hexbear users, they have no idea how anything works, they can't downvote, they're easy to ban, and they are so damn fun to troll. Buuut they are also very annoying, so I can totally understand the yes.
- I block them mostly. They are easy to troll though because they spend most of their time reposting the same memes in their echo chamber. It's like they're all people too young to experience /b/ in the 2000s.
  Just mention something like "human rights" and see what happens.
  
  The heyday of /b/ (with the caveat that /b/ was never good) was 16 years ago now.
  If we assume Hexbear is made up of Gen Z who are in their early 20s, they would've been ~4 years old. Hell, even the oldest Gen Z would've been ~10. Not exactly the prime age for /b/.
  My guess is that Hexbear is a mix of Gen Z who never experienced the peak days of 4chan (and thus never got the edginess out of their system), plus Gen Alpha who are young and stupid.
  A lot of Hexbear has their heart in the right place. It's just their minds are fucking crazy. Like, you can't support fascism and genocide just because "America bad".
  Yes, America bad.
  Yes, America institutionally bad.
  Yes, America not fixable for at least a decade (or longer).
  But that doesn't mean it's time to blindly support China and Russia. Especially when both countries are blatantly anti-LGBTQ. China shut down an LGBTQ center amidst a larger crackdown on LGBT rights; Russia is... Russia.
  
  Or mention something like Xinjiang.
- I like messing with hexbear users
  And you call us the trolls lmao. Please just defederate already we lose nothing from not seeing your racist bullshit.
  
  damn dude, replying to all my comments now. let's keep it chill and reduce it to just the one thread.
- this guy seems exhausting and narcissistic
- they have no idea how anything works, they can't downvote, they're easy to ban, and they are so damn fun to troll.
  ironically enough, this was a large portion of the reason why we federated with you - fascists like you haven't read a book or essay since high school and so fucking easy to dunk on, so we wanted to have some fun with you. it's almost like shooting fish in a barrel, you make it too straightforward.
  unfortunately the only line you can say is "buuuhhhh Xinjiang Xi Jinping genocide?!?!!" so there's no real constructive discussion happening anywhere here, we can write pages and pages of well-referenced prose in response and all we'll get is "
  How's the weather in Beijing, Chinese bot?" so it's like, what are we even doing anymore.
  but, despite that fact, I vote Nay, because dunking on you is extremely entertaining and a learning experience for everybody
  
  You're literally the type of stereotype libs who call anyone they don't like racists. If somebody just doesn't believe one of your made up bullshit they're just a genocide denier
  
  ommmgg no one caaaaares

Aye, theyre spam is fucking annoying. Also the brigading is getting old.
- It’s not brigading when we’re just terminally online and there’s a relatively low volume of posts. Crazy that the leftists are the ones most invested in a decentralized user controlled internet. Who would have thunk.
  
  It kinda is brigading when its coming largely from a single instance. Seriously ya lot are fucken annoying.

Aye. Trolls and assholes that only generate negativity.
- sorry, your vote's not counted pal! only SJW users!
  
  Oops, didn't look at the instance.

Can someone please explain to me what is wrong with them? Generally curious.
- you can get a taste of where they come from (wrt trump at least) in this thread, and if you ask them in good faith about their positions the majority of the users will respond in good faith in kind
  
  Takeaways from the most popular posts:
  They LOVE executions
  It's pretty difficult for any of them to just say trump is bad without qualifying that ALL US presidents are bad
  Trump is "funny and authentic"
  "Both sides are bad"
  Overwhelmingly they're calling to kill Trump, but isn't that literally just a LARP? This is never going to happen in real life. Once you wade through the execution fetish fantasy and step back into reality, they ever so slightly favor Trump over any other presidential candidate.
- hahaha just check the replies to your comment.
- what would you like to know?
  
  What is hexbear?
  Why would the people who want to defederate say that it should be defederated?
- We're communists who are very hostile toward racism, transphobia, homophobia, ableism, and other such bigotry. The users of this instance are by and large racist homophobic ableist liberals so they hate us. It's not hard to understand.
  
  Who are some of these users? I've been quite active and I'd love to see who these bigotted users are.
  
  We're communists who are very hostile toward racism, transphobia, homophobia, ableism, and other such bigotry.
  Lol no you aren't. Trump is especially racist, ableist, and bigoted, and he's the reason RvW was overturned and SCOTUS can strip away minority rights, but according to "you communists" he's a funny big old goofy guy who isn't any worse than anyone else.
  Of course it's because Trump is friendly towards Russia. You're fine with any level of bigotry if you think it helps your political agenda.
  
  You can't be woke while supporting Lenin, Stalin, or any other leader of Russia, ever.