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Agora Moderators

Hey all,

As discussed here, I am looking for 3 new moderators to help with this community.

Please review this post and vote for the candidate you would like to see help on this community.

In no particular order, the candidates are:

I invite you to review users post history when deciding on voting.

This thread will be open for 72 hours (until Friday June 23rd, 8PM ET) at which point voting will stop. Any votes after this time will not be counted. I will try to lock this thread after that time so people do not accidentally continue voting.

Everyone gets 1 vote, including the users being considered. The top 3 will be given mod powers of this community to help with organization of discussions and votes.

Please vote by calling the persons name. For example, if I you wanted to vote for TheDude you would reply with: TheDude

132 comments

- Nay for me too, way too controversial.
  
  It's important to have diversity, especially in your moderators. Not having diversity is a death curl for any community.
- They are trying to infiltrate
  
  Infiltrate? No.
  I'm providing dissent and lively discussion. It's important to have diversity, especially in communities that are centred around fairness and equality.
- Much obliged, TendieMaster.
  A seat will be awaiting you on the Supreme Council on the day I assume the throne.
  Edit: oh shit, this was supposed to be a PM!!
- Hopefully your message doesn't count for a vote for goat...
  
  No, it doesn't.
- Why not?
  I follow the rules very strictly. Is it the Donald posts you dislike? Those are satire. I figured that'd be obvious.
  Regardless, I've generated a lot of controversy despite following the rules, and I think that's a good thing. It's important to have dissent and opposition. Otherwise, you devolve back into the problem of Reddit, where the mods have a certain bias that makes fair discussion and arguments impossible.
  If you're going purely off downvotes or upvotes, my account's been bombarded by certain users who really don't like me. Dunno why they felt the need to downvote my profile and downvote my music threads, but whatev~
  
  Just like the original subreddit, am I right?
  
  I follow the rules very strictly. Is it the Donald posts you dislike? Those are satire. I figured that’d be obvious.
  It's not satire.
  Let me be clear, I'm not questioning whether you believe it's satire. I'm saying that after 7 years of edgelords coming up with worse and worse posts and memes to one up eachother, and now politicians saying things that were once "just a joke", it's not satire or a joke anymore. It's becoming truth to some people, and that's a problem.
  I'll also point out that r/the_donald also followed the rules strictly. That usually meant pushing the rules right to the line, and making the admins have to adjust the rules that were more ambiguous. I hope you're not following that example.

@annegreen@sh.itjust.works
Hey, it’s me! For what it’s worth, I’m excited to see this community grow and would be happy to be a part of the mod team helping guide it. Either way, I’m looking forward to seeing what’s next for this community. I don’t have a lot of experience with online moderation, but I do a lot of conflict resolution and strategy, which I feel are valuable skills for a moderator. If you choose me for a mod, I commit to helping make sure this instance and this community hold to their original vision of being friendly, chill, and democratic. I feel like I’ve already been able to bring some valuable contributions to the table, like the idea to use the [vote] format, and I believe I’ve got a lot more to offer the community. Thanks!

Yea @imaqtpie, Yea @annegreen, Yea @Seraph089.
From account history they have good engagement.
Nay @Apytele, Nay @sweetholymosiah.
Limited engagement. Can't really comment on them yet.
Nay @goat, Nay @difficult_bit_1339.
Actively enshittening Agora and flame warring since its inception. @goat is evidently some manner of troll and "controversy" isn't a selling point for moderation. This is an alt for his burggit account; he's butted heads with admins over there because not allowing gore isn't "free".
- That wasn't my argument at all.
  My entire argument on burggit was that I found it hypocritical for the admins there to be banning gore-related content because they personally found it unsavory, while still allowing Loli-content which many others find equally unsavory and many who have asked them to tone it down.
  Your link is broken, this is the link to my Burggit account (Be warned, Burggit has Loli porn and content similar to it)
  Controversy isn't a selling point of moderation in most cases, true. However, the prime function of Agora is to encourage diverse debate, even when that means challenging views you disagree with. Having a bias in moderation will cause nothing but a multitude of issues down the line.
  As for "flamewarring" -- I don't insult other members or tell them they're wrong, despite often being the crux of insults and ridicule myself. I believe I've proven that I can handle being challenged, something that most other candidates have not shown yet (with the exception of Imaq and Bit, of course)
  You can also only vote once.
  Your vote will be thrown out if you don't narrow it down, I recommend @imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works
  
  My entire argument on burggit...
  Your argument was that an unsavoury instance was against hosting your personal flavour of unsavoury content; hence you felt the need to browbeat instead of simply finding a better instance.
  This appears to be your main method of "engagement" in discussion: incessantly hammer on your point, making persistent bad-faith invitations to "debate," then when you rile up the user to the point of them flaming you, you claim that you're remaining civil. It's called sealioning, it's a common enough trolling phenomenon that there exists an often cited web-comic about it..
  Co-existing in a space isn't an open invitation for you to repeatedly argue the same point past a persons point of comfort, for the sake of your personal definition of "debate". When it's clear the debate has run its course and the person is clearly being emotionally effected, if you persist then you're acting in bad faith.
  
  I'm actually going to have to agree with you there as I've personally flip flopped on this issue a few times, but I look at it like some gore is acceptable, whereas a lot more Japanese anime porn tends to hit the creepy-crawlies mark
- admins on burggit actually allow "guro" which is kinda gore but anime version
  your link to goat's profile is wrong, here's a second try
- clarify on difficult bit pl0x
  
  Here he is actively flaming/trolling in Main Community and Agora. He even states he's willingly losing sleep because he likes arguing so much. Just because the person you're disagreeing with is being salty doesn't mean you have a free ticket to stoop to that level. It's not moderator-worthy conduct.
  https://sh.itjust.works/comment/282908
  https://sh.itjust.works/comment/291136
  https://sh.itjust.works/comment/291609
  https://sh.itjust.works/comment/303830

imaqtpie
My first order of business would be developing a more organized way of voting here. No offense to TheDude, he's got a lot on his plate.
- Agreed. I think we need to separate the discussion from the vote. It’s confusing to have amendments take place on voting posts as discussion develops. We also need clear parameters on how to draft a vote and then how the vote gets resolved.
  
  I think a parliamentary system could work well, though that's complicated.
  Maybe some strawpoll site that requires authentication? Link your account, have it approved, then vote.

(Limiting the vote to 1 person and not allowing us to rank is severly limiting, especially for a consensus-based community decision making system as what I remember being described in the post that announced the creation of the Agora.)
@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works I support, while Goat's method of engagement I think is fine for a member of the community but isn't mod-material. Not a chill dude, and seeing how people have reacted to him already he would be starting from a position of adversity with too much of the community.
- I agree I wish we'd have a top 3 ranked vote, but I can appreciate thats more work for all involved.

Seraph089
Of course I'll vote for myself, but I'm happy to see that it's a close race. Win or lose, I'll be here trying my best to help our budding democracy flourish.

Vote: imaqtpie
Additional commentary: goat in particular seems based on activity to be trolling/sealioning/derailing discussions
- How?

annegreen
- Thanks, friend!

Hard to pick...do you go purely off engagement? The fact some actually Moderate something already? Computer knowledge? Vibes?
I'll do a bit of everything and go Apytele
@Apytele@sh.itjust.works
Let's go feral, but be flaky about it.
- This is the kind of energy we need folks. Firm, yet fair. And unrelenting patience.

- The way things are going I might have to create my own instance 😑
- TheDude didn't nominate anyone, these are the names that threw their hats in the ring. If anything, our admin is taking a hands off approach and letting the community decide.
  So, please, help us decide!
- to be fair, this is just a list of everyone who threw a hat in the ring on the other post
  
  I actually made a PM before the post was created.
- server admin nominates blatant fascist to moderate
  blatant fascist? What post or comment drew this accusation?
  e: oh a downvote, so much for " In this community, you’ll find support from like-minded individuals who, like you, are eager to explore new perspectives, challenge their preconceptions, and grow intellectually." 🤔
  
  they deleted their account :o
- I'm not a fascist--don't go!

Difficult_Bit_1339
I read a few profiles, i like this one more: @Difficult_Bit_1339@sh.itjust.works
that's my vote

imaqtpie

Aye @iamqtpie, aye @annegreen aye @Seraph089

@Difficult_Bit_1339@sh.itjust.works
If I could vote for more, I'd also vote for imaqtpie and annegreen.

Hard to choose between seraph089 and apytele. Both active in the Agora (an important qualification), both with well thought-out comments there that I think show they're putting real serious thought into the community...
I flipped a coin between them, it said @Seraph089@sh.itjust.works.
EDIT: Just went more seriously through Difficult_Bit_1339's comment history, should have been a d3 :P Plenty of votes for them though, so I'll stick with my vote.
EDIT2: Oh, I'm dumb, should probably do my vote as a separate comment so it's easier to count.
- Seraph089, Difficult_Bit_1339, and apytele are my top 3 too. I don’t mind most of the others and I only have one clear No amongst the other candidates which is a good sign for this place I think.

imaqtpie
Is my vote

@sweetholymosiah@sh.itjust.works
- Thanks!

@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works

@Seraph089@sh.itjust.works is my vote.

annegreen
- Thanks!

@annegreen@sh.itjust.works
- Thanks!

@annegreen@sh.itjust.works gets my vote. Though @Difficult_Bit_1339@sh.itjust.works is a really close second, wish we could vote for more than one candidate.
- Sorry, dude, but this vote is primarily for Sh.it. users
  feel free to make an account though~!

My vote is for: annegreen@sh.itjust.works
My honorable mentions are qtpi and seraph. They both currently have more votes than anne so anne gets my vote.
- Thanks!

@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works is my vote

@Difficult_Bit_1339@sh.itjust.works
- I also vote for @Difficult_Bit_1338@sh.itjust.works
  
  Thanks folks

@Difficult_Bit_1339@sh.itjust.works
That's my vote
- I think you have to only leave the name in your reply.
  “Please vote by calling the persons name. For example, if I you wanted to vote for TheDude you would reply with: TheDude”

imaqtpie gets my vote

@Difficult_Bit_1339@sh.itjust.works
I'll vote for me of course, or abstain, either way.
e: added name in case TheDude is scraping comments.

My vote @Seraph089@sh.tjust.works

@Seraph089@sh.itjust.works gets my vote.

Difficult_Bit_1339 @Difficult_Bit_1339@sh.itjust.works

imaqtpie

@Apytele@sh.itjust.works is my vote
@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works close second
lots of good candidates, thanks to those who volunteered

@Seraph089@sh.itjust.works

@Seraph089@sh.itjust.works

@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works

@Difficult_Bit_1339@sh.itjust.works Aye

annegreen

@annegreen@sh.itjust.works

@Difficult_Bit_1339@sh.itjust.works

seraph089

I don't know if Lemmy orders moderators the same way as Reddit or not (1st > 2nd > 3rd) but if so:
@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works
@Seraph089@sh.itjust.works
@Difficult_Bit_1339@sh.itjust.works
If not, than disregard my ranking.
Also I wasn't certain if I can only make a single choice or three for my vote, maybe I'm just dumb. My first pick is imaqtpie, But I guess if votes are tied, my runoff pick for second mod would be Seraph089 and Difficult_Bit_1339 in that order. goat was also in the ranking but I don't know if there was a spot for 4th pick.
- I'm pretty sure all the mods will have equal power (not as much as TheDude tho)