[Discussion] Voting ballot example
There has been a proposal for not using replies for voting.
This is cleaner and doesn't expose everyone's votes to anyone reading the thread.
I have a notion of how this would look, so I'm creating this discussion and the replies for each option as an example. Please discuss or upvote any of the options I wrote below, and we can all see how this would look.
Should registration of this instance be:
Open + Captcha
That sounds fair. Blacklisting services, or even worse particular emails, is work for nothing because you have infinite amount of aliases with Gmail, and it kinda kills even need in temp email for trolling, and you don't want whitelist cause it'll hurt users of not so popular services. Invites just sound not so good of a system for choosing worthy, it's just, i want democracy and not elite ruling this instance.
Perhaps add explainer:
This poll is based on the preceeding discussion: [link]. Please make yourself familiar with the discussion before voting.
There is a choice between several options.
Upvote those options you would agree with, downvote those you would not agree with.
(comment to abstain? I know this could be abused. ...)
Add an option: "Do not change the current mode of registration."
... and i like to edit: Some information on how the final choice will be made may also be helpful (this could differ by subject): "The option on which the ratio of upvotes [(sum-of-votes -- downvotes) / sum-of-votes] exceeds that of all others by at least 1.5 : 1 will be implemented; should none meet that target no change will be made."
I like some of those suggestions. However, I don't think down voting or abstaining should be supported. You either support an option by up voting or you take no action.
Approval voting systems have well studied behaviors and we should not deviate from that without a compelling reason.
Every approval / upvote is a distinct user endorsement for an option. The option with the most users endorsing it should be selected when that number exceeds 51% of the active users set we decide on.
That could be another way to gauge the outcome. I just suggested to get into account the actual disapproval also (if we were that advanced, i'd wish we could have weighted disapproval voting anyway, but i can't hope that people understand the advantages of that). Why would my way of counting the approval ratio rather than approval-only be of any disadvantage? I mean, that way it would include the total number of participants as well, and an approval ratio would be a more robust decision-maker than just a fixed goal of absolute agreement. And why should i not want to improve on stuff? :-)
But anyway, this was meant to suggest how to improve the ballot itself (after all, that's the topic of the discussion here). So aside from how ever votes are to be counted, i suggest to include all that information in the ballot.
Down voting and abstaining have been studied (and used), too:
Personally I can't think of how voting can be done cleanly within just Lemmy yet. It seems like there should be a special type of post developed for it.
I see a couple issues with your proposal. Actual discussion can either drown out the options to be voted, especially the ones that are being downvoted. Second, the snowball effect would be even worse than comment-based voting, as the earliest upvoted options would be on the top of the thread.
The discussion should really happen in another post before the voting. Possibly even in another community.
The order you see the options that exist on the ballot should not matter.
This proposal doesn't involve down voting any options at all.
I agree that order shouldn't matter, but I strongly believe it would matter given the fact that everyone knows that upvoted posts appear at the top by default. The proposal doesn't address downvoting, but it will happen anyway and affect the outcome because of the ordering issue. Discussions will happen inside the voting thread even if it shouldn't happen, as well.
Open + Email blacklist
Closed + Email Whitelist
Closed + Invites