My Love-Hate Relationship With Lemmy – Gavi's Blog
cross-posted from: https://literature.cafe/post/7623713
I made a blog post discussing my biggest issues with Lemmy and why I am kind of done with it as a software.
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CSAM is still unfortunately an issue on Lemmy. Just yesterday I had to contact an admin of the 2nd largest instance directly to get a post removed that had been up for several hours. Worst of all, it had more upvotes than downvotes. I do applaud the admin for taking action the minute I notified them, but it should never have been able to get that far.
Also, some of the issues involving Lemmy developers really remind me of major Minecraft servers back in the day lol. There's just an inability for the "helpers" to do much problem solving because of the lack of tools, and absolute reliance on the person at the top to take action. Even then, the person at the top doesn't always have the skill set necessary to solve the issues that arise.
I look forward to seeing how Sublinks goes, but without a good reason for users to migrate it could be dead on arrival.
I agree quite a bit with your second point, as someone who used to run a Minecraft server long long long ass it was quite bad.
And yeah, I think there will be solid reasons to get users to migrate. But for the most part it wont really be needed as instances themselves will be able to convert lemmy instances to sublinks instances eventually. It wont require much effort from users unless they want to switch instances entirely.
instances themselves will be able to convert lemmy instances to sublinks instances eventually
That sounds really cool, do you just import and convert all the user/comm/post/comment data from Lemmy?
I think there's a good chance people will leave once Lemmy integrates with Threads. So if you time things wisely, you can probably get a good base of users to swap their coms to Sublinks.
What's your planned policy for karma? I know users hated it, but as a reddit mod I found it super useful to determine between a misinformed user and a troll. If your plan for mod tools is as good as you're saying, I wouldn't mind going back to modding.
I dont get the hate for a voting system, I think naming it after karma feels a bit weird…. but in general a voting system does hugely improve the quality of crowded conversations and naturally avoids the problems web forums have with only one conversational thread being possible at a time.
People get angry that downvotes should be applied only in valiant noble ways, but honestly sometimes you just gotta downvote somebody for being an asshole and if they are actually an asshole than usually the huge amount of downvotes defangs someone’s ability to claim their viewpoint is held by some exaggerated significant portion of the community.
you just gotta downvote somebody for being an asshole and if they are actually an asshole than usually the huge amount of downvotes defangs someone’s ability to claim their viewpoint is held by some exaggerated significant portion of the community.
The issues is that the asshole is going to downvote you back, and will bring his ten alts to make sure your comment is buried into oblivion. Downvotes can be identified by admins with the current version of Lemmy, but that's a new can of worms (and work for the admins)
One downvote from the OP to troll; one downvote from the troll to OP; ten downvotes from the troll’s arsenal of alts to OP; hundreds of downvotes to the troll from the community.
Reddit with their quirks and issues have at least demonstrated it’s fine for the most part. Established communities can identify trolls quickly, make them easier to spot for moderators through voting, and enable moderation tools to act and block quickly. Whereas the current Lemmy system feels like burying their head in the sand, and pretending trolls can’t exist because only admins can, through convoluted queries, see the users’ historical vote aggregate.
One downvote from the OP to troll; one downvote from the troll to OP; ten downvotes from the troll’s arsenal of alts to OP; hundreds of downvotes to the troll from the community.
Except when other people get into the discussion,and you realize that other people are also part of the circlejerk that the initial troll initiated.
Reddit with their quirks and issues have at least demonstrated it’s fine for the most part. Established communities can identify trolls quickly, make them easier to spot for moderators through voting, and enable moderation tools to act and block quickly. Whereas the current Lemmy system feels like burying their head in the sand, and pretending trolls can’t exist because only admins can, through convoluted queries, see the users’ historical vote aggregate.
On this I agree, Lemmy is definetely lacking on moderation tools. Votes should be visible to mods too.
Wait...you seem to have 10 alts or so ......?
My main account is now on Reddthat, which disables downvotes, and I can tell you I don't use my other accounts to downvote people.
But yes, you could potentially use my case as an example, other people might do it, and use them as I said.
Lemmy integrates with Threads.
But isn't Threads a micro-blogging format, similar to Mastodon and Twitter, compared to the community-focused Lemmy and Reddit?
Can Threads display communities? Genuinely asking, I haven't had a look at that in a while
Define display. Subscribing to a Lemmy community on Threads should "work", but won't be a pleasant viewing experience for your feed most likely.
They can, however, post directly to Lemmy communities should they wish, by @-ing the community.
Intermingling requires Threads users to specifically and actively seek Lemmy out.
If it's the same way that Mastodon displays Lemmy communities, and Lemmy users not being able to post to Mastodon, then people are probably not going to leave Lemmy for Threads.
Mastodon, on the other hand, is very much at risk.
Leaving Lemmy for Threads was never really a concern I heard from anyone, they are completely different services. Like you say, Mastodon is more at risk.
What people on Lemmy were concerned with was rather whether undesirable users on Threads could filter onto Lemmy and negatively affect the user experience here. With the magnitudes larger userbase, Threads users could potentially dominate the Hot feed if they started posting to Lemmy communities.
Good point.
for users to migrate it could be dead on arrival
Sublinks isn't meant to appeal to users, it's meant to appeal to admins.