Funding Ukraine is inherently a genocidal endeavour. If you want war to end and for Ukrainians to stop being killed, there's only one solution, and it's not telling Putin he's a meanie.

Ukraine will never even get into NATO, after the war started they admitted it was just bait and they told zelensky to keep the lie up. Merkel admitted Minsk I and II were only signed to gain time to train and equip Ukraine. NATO provoked Russia into this war as much as they could.

There's also the thought that if they can make Russia fail "hard enough" in the Ukraine, it will force Putin out in disgrace. This may be part of the "no negotiation, no way we can ever give him even a token win" mindset.

Even before any tangible aggression, there's been years of degrading relationships between the West and Russia, and I suspect it's because Putin wasn't anywhere near as convenient a partner as Yeltsin was. He at least knows how to try to be cut-throat.

They've definitely been harping the "will this end Putin" angle since day 1 of the operation. Last year it was "ooh, look, the sanctions are moderately inconveniencing the oligarchs and they'll surely toss him out any minute now". This week it's the Wagner guy. Probably next week it will be something even zanier-- I bet someone's putting a bow on an OceanGate sub and mailing it to Moscow as we speak.

No matter how you feel about Putin personally and his actions, he has at least kept the country somewhat stable. Russia has historically had problems with seperatist movements, and there is huge amount of both atomic and conventional weapons and associated knowledge we'd sort of rather not end up scattered to the winds. If Putin were to be forced out, especially under any terms but his own, it's doubtful there would be a smooth transfer of power. OTOH, I do await the popcorn if/when the West tries to pull another Juan Guiado and bless some convenient stooge with no local credibility.

Petitions are useless, but widespread strikes demanding an end to the weapon shipments would surely be effective as long as they refuse to compromise. Unfortunately, long and principled strikes seem to be very rare in the imperial core (e.g. the ultimately disappointing railroad worker strike earlier this year in Amerika)

Petitioning and protests without broader organisation will almost always fail to secure any meaningful change. The curious thing is why anyone thinks such a basic and unorganised strategy would ever work after so many decades of it failing. That's why we must stand for the organisation of the workers. Then we can petition and protest.

When Ukraine loses, these people will move on to the next thing in the media cycle and a year down the line will pretend they always knew Ukraine was always going to lose.

Edit: you're correct, peace deal is the ultimate goal but there's also other stuff one can do before then. All in all it begins at home.

Additionally if Russia retreated to their borders Ukraine would push into Russia at this stage. Like abandoning is not a real option for either side, you need a peace deal or at least a ceasefire to do anything.

The same NAFO trolls that say Putin should just up and leave have no argument for the opposite (that Ukraine should abandon fighting this war) because they would be forced to admit that it's not a realistic solution whatsoever if they actually engaged with it. Thus their only argument is "Ukraine is the one that's getting invaded why would they abandon the fight?" which is a deflection.

Liberal protesting won't work. What's needed is organised action by workers of all countries standing in international solidarity. Protests might be one tactic in that movement, but not the only tactic. When it is the only tactic, like with Iraq, it creates the impression that protests are useless. The perception of that uselessness is now built into the narrative. But don't lose heart. We can create a new narrative. We have a world to win and we can win it.

Which of these Ukrainians support the resistance? Those that are safe in Kyiv, or the Russian-speaking ones that are sent to the front?

why?

“Wahhh wahhh wahhh, why are you calling me out for my shitty political beliefs?”

Ad hominem. Do you have an argument against the points made in the post?

Slava Ukraini is what the Ukrainian Collaborationist Schuma force yelled as they assisted the 3rd SS division in exterminating everyone in my ancestors village.

I hope you eat shit and die Nazi.

Nice nazi dogwhistle there, cracker; should we fly you and yours upside down when Ukraine's counter-offensive fails? Take your ass home to whatever lib instance you registered with. Anything is better than letting western-funded fascism fester on the planet; and that you don't see things that way tells me exactly who you are, what you are, and whose water you carry.

True, there's one other pragmatic solution you can do, which is to join the foreign legion in Ukraine.

I don't think it's a very sensible solution if you value life, but you do you.

Let’s give them part of Czechoslovakia while we are at it

...which is exactly what the West did in the years leading up to WW2, they let Hitler annex parts of Czechoslovakia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement) while at the same time showering him with economic and military treaties.

As they say: every accusation is a confession.

So basically, your solution is appeasment and just let Russia America steamroll Ukraine Iraq and start biting at Poland’s Afghanistan's feet? Let’s give them part of Czechoslovakia Iran while we are at it. Yeah no. Slava Ukraini Death to America 🇮🇶

Czechoslovakia

Aww did the gang get together again?

Slobber Zucchini indeed you worthless fascist-supporting scum

Putin only intervene to stop genocide from Euromaiden NATO puppet and even the NATO admit that Putin achieve protection of ethnic minority and not the Ukraine takeover that only existed in the imagination of Pax Americana fanatics. Your belief that humanitarian intervention will lead to evil outcome is disproven.