United Healthcare CEO gets murdered, many celebrate, lemmy.world mod(s?) pile on the temp bans and delete posts

I said something along the lines of:

"Wow, I haven't had a reason to smile ear to ear in a while."

Along with

"Nah, the more dead ~~corpos~~ dragons, the better."

In response to some liberal going off about how violence is never the solution, not mentioning how this murdered dipshit has personally overseen a system that perpetuates harm, suffering and death (violence) in the name of profit.

...

Good ole' civility clause.

Whats the paradox of tolerance?

.world mods have never heard of it I guess.

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The bans seem to be lifted.
- yes i only banned for 24 hours so that more information could be found additionally there were directions that people encouraging, cheering, making joke of, discussing payment, or of jury nullification are against the terms of service for lemmy.world. as of now there is new information regarding this section of the terms of service which will be announced and explained by the admins. i am sorry to those that feel i was excessive we have discuss this among the moderators and will use the lock power to reduce the moderator workflow. for me i consider human life sacred and despite the mistakes of this person only God may judge us. i recognize my bias in this and will work to be more restrained going forward.
  
  You should stop being a mod. For so many reasons.
  
  Agreed, this is insanely concerning.
  
  What in the world? Discussing jury nullification is against the terms of service of lemmy.world? I'm so glad I decided to skip getting an account there. SMDH
  
  Makes you wonder who is behind that server now
  
  Now or always? That server always seemed a bit out of wack for a variety of resaons since I first learned about it in my early days on Lemmy after the Reddit exodus. My initial impression has been repeatedly reinforced and I keep wondering why it's the largest instance. I guess for the same reason that MacDonalds is (one of?) the most popular restaurant chains in the world?
  
  only God may judge us
  I'm judging you right now, for your inability to keep your religion to yourself.
  
  for me i consider human life sacred and despite the mistakes of this person only God may judge us.
  Lmao I don't know which god you're referring to, but pretty sure based on the lore available they don't give a fuck about human life
  
  only God may judge us
  If you're referring to Yahweh, per the bible he's a far more judgmental asshole than your average social media user.
  
  יהוה‎
  aka, YHWY isn't even his original name. He was a Canaanite god of War and Death. Those were the entirety of his divine portfolio. That particular "God's" original name is EL.
  
  John Brown did nothing wrong
  This Shoter did nothing wrong
  If you consider human life sacred, then you would consider that CEO evil, and then would ballance that his death is a net positive.
  
  Personally I would've much rather he just rot in prison for his crimes. I won't celebrate murder but I'm not the least bit sad he's dead
  
  The system doesn't allow for a corpo parasite to go to prison for their crimes.
  So we got the anti hero doing the hard work.
  Best us lowly pedons can do is show some support for the adjustment done to the UHC corporate organization
  
  How does it feel sucking corporate, and status quo, cock for free?
  BTW: יהוה‎, aka YHYW, aka Yahweh's original name is EL. He's a Canaanite god of War and Death. I'm pretty sure that this follower of Iehova, same god different name, would be pardoned by his "God."
  Edit: in case you missed it, the letter "I" was the Latin language character for "J" until the 4th or 5th century.
  I will be finding a new instance that actually encourages discussion, going forward since this instance is run by censors that do not like free speech
  Edit 2: in case you also missed it another group changed EL's name to Allah, and a further group than that one declared that ELhovallah has said that science is more real than any "divine doctrine."
  Fuck you, and fuck my god. He created entire communities that I probably should be chastising because most American Baha'i's are the "moderate white people" that MLK Jr. talked about so eloquently. They will say all the right things, but I have seen too often that they are merely talking. The saddest part is that because most of these people aren't white people, so when they get off their asses and do something, it's generally successful.
  
  Sorry for the big off-topic. I just can't help when it comes to etymology.
  Edit: in case you missed it, the letter “I” was the Latin language character for “J” until the 4th or 5th century.
  What changed around the 4th~5th centuries were sounds, not letters - the Latin words using the sound [j] (as in yes) were being pronounced with [d͡ʒ] (as in jazz). Even everyday words like iocus (game) or iam (already).
  But people kept spelling them the same - you'd use "I" for [i ɪ j ʒ dʒ] (as in beet, bit, genre, jazz), and let context tell them apart. For any language using the Latin alphabet, not just Latin herself, as shown by Shakespeare:
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  The iniury of many a blasting houre; Let it not tell your Iudgement I am old,
  At most you'd flourish some "I" with a downwards curve, for easier reading; such as when you got 2+ "I" in a row. This mostly affects numbers (like XIII being spelled "xiij"), but also a few words like Old Spanish "fiio"="fijo" ("son"; modern Spanish "hijo").
  Edit 2: in case you also missed it another group changed EL’s name to Allah
  It's more like both sides changed it. Without going too much into detail:
  the proto-Semitic word was around ʔil or so
  the Biblical Hebrew pronunciation of ⟨אל⟩ was probably [ʔil] too, even if Tiberian Hebrew would read the word as [ʔe:l] "El" instead.
  Arabic "Allah" is most likely a contracted expression of [aɫiɫɫa:h]; [aɫ] is the article and the [aːh] a vocative. The underlying root is [ʔil]_{[ʔill], spelled ⟨إِلّ⟩}⟨إِل⟩.
  
  Well done on being both pedantic and informative. Yes you're absolutely correct on both points, I didn't feel the need to get that far into the weeds trying to explain that my own personal beliefs are tied into all of that historical pedantry. I just wanted to illustrate that such assholery is entirely possible by following the earlier ideas.
  
  Sorry for my burst of pedantry. I couldn't help it, I love to dig through the origin of the words.
  ...for a reason that is actually related to your Baháʼí faith: it shows that humans - those in the past, us in the present, and probably the ones in the future - are still the same. You see the same processes working on those words in the past as they do now.
  [I agree with your main point. And I'm aware that what I said is unrelated to it, it's only marginally related to the example.]
  
  BTW: יהוה‎, aka YHYW, aka Yahweh's original name is EL. He's a Canaanite god of War and Death.
  The word "EL" was just a label, like the word "god" itself (which literally means "creator"), and not a name. It meant "mighty one" or "strong one".
  For example, phrases translated as "God Almighty" is El Shad-dai.
  When angels are referred to as the "sons of God" the original Hebrew is beneh' ha-Elo-him.
  Elo-him is also used to refer to other gods, and even human judges in Israel.
  There are many more examples of the etymology, but "EL" is not always referring to the God referred to by the tetragrammaton. And it never refers to the Hebrew/Christian God in it's singular isolated form. It always has a qualifier, like "God Almighty" (El Shad-dai).
  
  The main difference being that the other Canaanite gods didn't all have the EL prefix, in fact, he was the only one that had that prefix, and denominated him as the specific god of Death and War.
  You can attempt to claim that isn't true, many biblical and judeaic scholars have attempted to claim the same thing. The archeological evidence doesn't support your claim
  
  That doesn't change linguistics. As I mentioned, there are examples in the Bible of other things, including humans, that were referred to as El.
  Another example is Ba'al. Ba'al was both a generic word for pagan gods as well as one specific god. But that doesn't mean so the various pagan gods were the same.
  You also missed my point about the qualifier. The fact that the Canaanite god of death and war had no qualifier denotes a difference. The Hebrew/Christian God whose name is given as Jehovah in many translation, always has a qualifier with the word EL. Specifically qualifies like "God Almighty", Most High (el'yohn), and never appears in isolated form except when referring to others.
  The word EL even makes up many biblical names like Dani'el (God is my judge), El'isha (God is salvation), and Micha'el (Who is like God?).
  The fact that there was a Canaanite god whose name was just "god" means and proves nothing, other than if there ever was a name attributed to that god it was lost to time.
  
  El means "the" as far as I know. As he is "the one" and it is not part of the name, it is the title, basically it is not "a(ny) god" its "the god". At least it was explained so to me from my bro, who "speaks" the old Hebrew. But I don't know why it is the discussion here. Isn't there better places to discuss etymology where there are people who speak the language?
  
  As far as I am aware, EL didn't mean "the" in Canaanite society or language. That happened later with the other tribes of the Canaanites forming completely different civilizations.
  
  You're spineless
  
  I was with you until you mentioned that god thing.
  
  What mistakes? Those were all intentional outcomes.
  
  We understand that you'll repeatedly choose to selectively enforce or break the rules to ensure the predetermined narrative is served, then cite your religion as the reason.
  Thanks for letting us know.
  
  no? i was asked to enforce the terms of service and the celebration of murder encourages others but i have now been asked to not consider these a violation anymore
  
  only God may judge us
  And you, apparently.
  
  only God may judge us
  Maybe stop using ancient, inconsistent collections of fairy tales and psuedo history to inform your world view.
  Grow up lol.
  
  Nah I judge you hard, you’re a garbage excuse for a human.
  
  Jury nullification is a legal right any jurist in the US has, which is why liberals hate it.
  
  i am not from the united states and there are countries with laws differant from the united states I was asked to remove these things for this reason
  
  So let me get you to repeat that so I know you didn’t misspeak. The admins of Lemmy.world instructed you to remove posts educating people about their rights in the country they live in? Can you tag them so we can discuss those admins here?
  
  they are making an announcement on this topic to make the reasoning more clear
  i apologize for misunderstanding and the correct action would have to lock the post until we all understood what to do
  as of now all who were community banned by me are no longer banned
  
  Hmmm... Do Gaza residents count, how about American payers of health insurance?
  Hmmm
  
  yes? i would remove comments and posts celebrating the death of those people i pray for them as i pray for you and the family of the murdered person you celebrate
  
  I don't know if temporarily muting those accounts was the right call or not - I did not even look at the pictures of the modlog here much less elsewhere - but entirely separately from that I wanted to say thank you for offering your explanation here. Whatever you end up deciding, your willingness to be introspective is already a powerful thing.
  
  thank you
  i was asked to moderate anything that is illegal specifically mentioning "jury nullification" and "financially supporting" this has been changed now until a larger announcement is made
  many admins and moderators at .world including myself are not american, i pray that the others who are angry at me and hope they consider there are more countries with laws that are different from them.
  
  Jury nullification is one of democracies' systems of checks and balances that protects against injustice. It's also not illegal in the US to talk about as a topic for the general population.
  Banning discussion about it is like banning people from talking about voting or civil disobedience. Banning discussion of it is a disservice to the public good.
  
  That's the thing - if someone wants to go to all the trouble to step up and expend actual effort to create an instance, or aid by moderating a community, or even make posts to existing ones, then such a person imho has more of a right to speak up than merely a lurker. Otherwise, it's just whinging, and the people may even have had to do the same if they were in your shoes, following the directives that you were given, regardless of their personal beliefs.
  So again I haven't studied the issue enough to know whether it was the right call or not, either by the admins or by you, but I hope as you make that determination in your head that you aren't unduly influenced by people who choose to see only what they view as the extreme negative (as in result) without bothering to look at or acknowledge all the positives that you do as well. Making a judgement is hard work!
  Please keep in mind that many people, perhaps out of fear of retaliation (if only by downvoting) may not take the time to express any positive sentiments about this (or, as I am considering doing, may take a break from social media a bit bc all of this news, in every single community it seems, is getting to be a bit much). Thus before I go on that break for a few days, I wanted to express my support for at least trying to help and be there for your community - even if you ultimately feel that it was the wrong call (and I'm not even so much as hinting here that it may have been - I truly don't know nor at this point even care), you did at least try and I wish more people would see that. After some cooling off, I think some will. And for those who choose to remain perpetual entitled children, dependent upon others to do all their work for them (in this case I mean moderation EFFORTS to keep a community going and livable), who even cares what they think.
  I dunno about the actions you took here, but I do at least support the efforts you go to on a daily basis to support keeping your community alive and functional.
  
  if someone wants to go to all the trouble to step up and expend actual effort to create an instance, or aid by moderating a community, or even make posts to existing ones, then such a person imho has more of a right to speak up than merely a lurker
  Are you justifying power tripping?
  
  Not at all. Though she merely did as the instance admins instructed her? (mostly) And they seemed to be worried about police knocking down their door, as laws vary from country to country.
  Her part was, as she said in her own words, to have removed the comments and banned people (no matter that they were extremely short-term, are already rescinded, and no more will be forthcoming for some of these issues), when she should have locked the post with a statement that the admins were issuing a moratorium on discussions of the topic for 24 hours and/or when they can get the ToS modified to provide transparency and consistency in what their want to see done. It's their instance - they can do as they please. But her part in this seems only a small one, it's the admins - who I haven't heard anything from yet - who seem the real issuers of these edicts?
  And as for myself, I am seeking a more nuanced and subtle form of argumentation beyond simply "my side always right, their side poopy buttface". Though I do have sympathy for those who may have been affected by the underlying healthcare issues, and yet it seems like a proper diagnosis with full acknowledgement of all not just some of the factors involved that would serve us all best as we move forward here?
  And I meant what I said at the end:
  I dunno about the actions you took here, but I do at least support the efforts you go to on a daily basis to support keeping your community alive and functional.
  There may be bad parts about all of this here, but in retrospect it will become easier to see how well this conflict ended up being resolved - the transparency that I'm seeing here gives me strong hope. Like, where are the admins here in this thread, explaining their actions? If it's here I haven't seen it yet, but this mod came forth immediately and owned up to what she did, her explanation as to why, and even exposing her underlying reasoning process - she didn't have to do any of that?! And she's taking a LOT of flak for it too, especially her belief structures. Maybe we'll find out that the admins are being PTBs here, but that's not the vibe I get from this mod in particular, who seemed only trying to be friendly to everyone, and again, already having admitted her mistakes (in removing+banning rather than locking with explanation).
  So, what am I missing here, about this mod in particular I mean? (The admins I don't have sufficient information about to even make a guess.)
  
  I'll reply to you later, had too many drinks at this very moment ha ha
  
  Kudos, I admire your restraint in not going off half-cocked while in that state ~~as I have been known to have done myself from time to time~~ :-)

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