I redid the meme with what hurts me

I literally used to say this last decade, but as I grew experienced with more languages/paradigms/systems, it became 3rd best, then 4th, until I realized it actually not really great at anything other than there is an large ecosystem around it (wildly varying in quality). To some that might be enough, & going outside what you know isn’t typically the most wise thing to do, but it’s not particularly simple, or readble, or performance, or composable, or offering great patterns. Anything that used Python in Nixpkgs tend to be the most unreliable software for actually building & using.

I don't think that's quite right. It's more like if you have to choose a language before you know what you're doing, Python is the best choice. For anything large enough it's multiple places down the list, but you really don't want to have to learn Rust and possibly reinvent wheels for your quick boilerplate hack.

and c is the first best for everything!

Is great until you need a job. It solves the 2 language problem right up until you're working with others.

I guess I don't know. Whenever something tempts me to R, I quickly find that Python's got a good-enough solution.

Amen. Now, where’s that Wine?

People complain about perl, but no one uses perl.

Yes. That being said, it matters which language you choose. COBOL is always a bad choice, unless writing in COBOL is the whole point. There isn't really a universal best choice, either. Python is often a good one, but if you're doing something big it will become this meme.

While Java js definitely one of the best, it still has some quirks that you need to know about.

Embrace your forefather ALGOL: 🤚‍ and, && 👉 ∧

That's really the part I hate the most. it just feels wrong

Use pipenv and don’t think about it anymore.

come into the light, my child. become an electrical engineer.

Yeah but fuck all that python is good enough for most beginners. Variables, scope, loops, functions, operators... Once you get some of the principles down switching to C++ or similar isn't nearly as bad.

Being a person that tried to learn C/C# from scratch in my early days python was a good gateway language.

For someone starting out, I would say that a major advantage of Python over any compiled language is that you can just create a file and start writing/running code. With C++ (which I'm also a heavy user of) you need to get over the hurdle of setting up a build system, which is simple enough when you know it, but can quickly be a high bar for an absolute beginner. That's before you start looking at things like including/linking other libraries, which in Python is done with a simple import, but where you have to set up your build system properly to get things working in C++.

Honestly, I'm still kind of confused that the beginner course at my old university still insists on giving out a pre-written makefile and vscode config files for everyone instead of spending the first week just showing people how to actually write and compile hello world using cmake. I remember my major hurdle when leaving that course was that I knew how to write basic C++, I just had no idea how to compile and link it when I could no longer use the makefile that we were explicitly told to never touch...

I know this may be an unpopular opinion on lemmy, which leans so heavily towards Linux and FOSS, and I’m a Linux user myself but….

I actually really like C# and .NET (the modern cross-platform version anyway).

They didn't include https so the link doesn't know what protocol it's meant to open with

https://rye.astral.sh/

If the language can just break during runtime because of code indentation, I can't really trust it

Does python not require you to include your libraries? How can the runtime environment not tell you "you used whatever library but whatever library isn't installed" is it then hard to find the library? Does python not have anything like perl's cpan to consolidate all libraries? Can't you just grep for the libraries a project calls and loop over the results adding that library to the build environment?

I'm guessing, they meant to write "that the language has no default way".

One of the things that frustrated me more with python, coming from R and Julia, was that the math and statistics functions weren't default. But after learning more, and learning the math, numpy, scipy and others started yo like that, there's different projects working on the same and you pick and choose what works better for you.

If you developed it to not have brackets for the first one or two decades. Especially if there’s no possible way to easily edit it. You’re a psychopath to not consider this.

Not after 10 years of it not having brackets. And providing no editing ability to change it as a macro. That’s just cruel and inhumane and psychopathic.