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9mo ago

Windows vs Linux

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Okay you nerds definitely have a point on this one

Get off that high horse: linux can still run DotA 2.
- Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
  
  And overwatch

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can run LoL on Linux
- Not anymore:
  https://support-leagueoflegends.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/24169857932435-Riot-Vanguard-League-of-Legends
  Gross
  
  Im still waiting on them deploying it. I have a windows installation that does not boot using uefi, and therefor can not run vanguard. So when they deploy it its finally bye bye league after 14 years haha
  
  Great*
  
  It's not rolled out yet so currently still yes you can run n play it on Linux
  
  I will never understand why so many people were just okay accepting all this invasive bullshit like Vanguard. There's so many games I just can't even consider because I refuse to implicitly tell game companies their unchecked behavior like this is acceptable.
  These are fucking video games; there is no goddamn reason a glorified toy should have root or kernel-level access. It's wild to me the amount people who will accept anything, no questions asked.
  I'm sure Hell Divers is fun, but it ain't worth it to me to find out.
- Yes, there are versions of WINE and Proton that are specific to running LoL, but it's still somewhat of a headache to get running.
  
  And then the headache of having LoL on your computer/life.
  
  It's literally one click on Lutris.
- Brb gonna make a commit to core to break LoL.
- Used to be able to before vanguard. When I used SolusOS as my main OS it used to run better than on windows... Apart from the client but that didn't matter too much
- Supposedly there is a way using a macOS emulator, since Vanguard hasn’t been ported to macOS yet
  
  Which I believe doesn’t work on all GPUs.

Crap games apart (LOL is a good name for it), the only reason because Windows is better for games is that most games in the market are Windows only, no other reasons. But this is currently changing with more and more games also for Linux. Worst gaming platform is still Apple.
Anyway, at least
- Also shout out to valve for making more windows games run on linux via proton
- And the reason a lot of games are made for windows: nvidia helps companies with testing and development support, but funnily enough they help with testing nvidia hardware, and only on Windows.
  I guess they only do Windows to try to keeo development costs of the drivers down? But I'm not sure.
  
  Not entirely correct, the simple reason is called "money". Windows is by far the most used platform in the world, because of this also the most potential users of the gaming industry. Linux has almost 100 different distros and much of these don't accept other than opensource apps in its repository and only very few modern games are (2?...3?), there isn't much more than FPS and arena shooters with graphics of 20 years ago, side scrollers and other with pixelgraphics, crappy RPG 2 D or with isometric view, few exceptions apart, like the above mencioned The Dark Mod, despite that it isn't full OpenSource because of some non-free art assets which included and for this is tecnically only freeware and for sure for this, not in most of the repositories. Making games is a lot of work and there are not much idealistic game devs out there which will make a modern game for buy me a coffee. That is the main problem because Windows is still the best platform for games and not for tecnical reasons.
  
  They'll help you develop and test your AI stuff on Linux but not Windows (I don't think... Completely different team of engineers).
  I'm wondering what will happen when loads of games have built-in generative AI... Will these two paths cross and finally give us Linux folks Nvidia (graphics) drivers that are actually good? 🤔

Oh they already activated Vanguard for League of Legends? Because before that it could run under linux.
- They announced it like a month ago, they could have flipped the switch by now. LoL was always a pain to get working anyway
  
  ah yeah, they flipped the switch: https://areweanticheatyet.com/?search=league&sortOrder=&sortBy=
- Not just yet, they've been pushing it back repeatedly. Currently has a limited rollout in the Philippines. My Windows 11 PC can't run Vanguard so I'm just waiting to be kicked off any day now

I remember watching Arcane and then trying the lol mobile game, DO NOT PLAY LOL IF YOU ALREADY DON'T.
- Do play Legends of Runeterra. It's a charming, friendly and easy to pickup collectible card game set in the world of LoL with ZERO abusive practices. Enjoy PvP/Ranked ladder while you can, because the lack of dark patterns means it made less money than they expected, so some features were shelved and more things may be removed in the future.
- especially don't play if you do!
- i played a match and i don't get it, that game is just boring.
  how do people actually play this?
  i have colleagues who gush over how they want everyone else to play it.
  it's just so... stale

OpenBSD:
does not run systemd
Conclusion: OpenBSD wins
- My pocket calculator: does not run anything
  Conclusion: my pocket calculator wins. Always
  
  It runs calculations. Abacus wins again
  
  Yes, this totally wins:
- I thought all systemd haters would have died by now due to old age. At this rare chance, I have a question: How did it feel to live together with actual dinosaurs?
  
  I finally gave up the hate and embraced the poeterring-ing a few years ago. Can confirm I de-aged by 15 years as a result.
  
  Why do people hate systemd anyway? I'm not that tech-savvy but I've always used it and I don't recall ever having a problem with it
  
  Calm down Lennart. Also, upstart was better and not ancient.
- Systemd is good actually
- Wasn't a big reason some people don't like systemd because it didn't run on FreeBSD?
- I run Gentoo with OpenRC.
  Still need some systemd stuff for some software :|
  
  I run Void with runit.
  I've tried to completely avoid systemd, and so far I think I've managed. It's still a pain in the ass, because a lot of software depends on it.
  As an upside, startup time on my old lappy went from 2+ minutes on barebones Arch with systemd to just under 40 seconds on Void with runit.
- OpenBSD loses because it's permissively-licensed instead of copyleft.
  
  I guess you use blob-free Linux-libre then?

I really wanna switch to Linux so bad because of windows 10 support is ending soon and windows 11 suck ass I especially hate chatgpt and edge and boring desktop environment and sloppy navigation around the os and inconsistent design and everything else really, the only reason I use computer is games and a bit of documents editing but I lose half of my fps when I played on Linux which is a big deal when all I have is a potato laptop, hopefully by the time windows 10 ended support gaming on Linux will be at least 80% of the windows performance
- the only reason I use computer is games and a bit of documents editing but I lose half of my fps when I played on Linux which is a big deal when all I have is a potato laptop
  You might be using the wrong driver or something. Usually Linux has at least comparable framerates to Windows, if not faster.
  
  No it's not, I have low end Ryzen apu I used both AMD pro and amdgpu driver and I still lose 40-60% of the performance
  
  Usually Linux has at least comparable framerates to Windows, if not faster.
  CS2 beg to differ.
- I switched to Linux a few months ago after building a new computer as I didn't feel like paying over $100 for an OS that has ads in the start menu and spammy popups.
  Almost all of my games work fine and don't have any issues with lag. The exception is GTA V which doesn't work at all and Sims 4 which works fine but EA's launcher has given me a few issues.
  You shouldn't have any issues with document editing or web browsing. In my experience printing actually works better on Linux than it did for me on Windows.
  If you want you could dual boot or keep an old windows system around to play games that aren't working on Linux, but in my experience, most games, especially indie games, work just fine on Linux.
  
  GTA V which doesn't work at all
  YMMV. Works out of the box on the deck and I don't remember having any problems with it on arch.
  
  Yesterday played in it.Pirated one version works fine since it's doesn't relay on any laucher ;)
  
  Dualboot could work, I tried it before and didn't go very well I might give it another chance, by the way does online games with anti cheat that works on Linux under wine will that get me ban?
  
  You can literally just download Windows for free from the Microsoft site.
- Trying not to be one of those "but did you try" replies, but personally, I would run Fedora xfce spin to see if anything changes.
  Cutting edge kernel modules + minimal X11 DE will rule out stupidity from Wayland and make it easier to try some different settings.
  AMD is supposed to work out of box, but I've heard there are some quirks with certain GPUs in which you may need to set some kernel flags.
  Ex: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/how-to-install-amd-graphics-driver-on-fedora-36/74052/5
- Damn they're ending support next year: October 14, 2025. I thought it would continue a few more years.
- windows 11 suck ass I especially hate chatgpt
  🤔

The game runs just fine. Vanguard is what is preventing it.
Either way GNU/Linux wins.

I'm not sure whats worse. Lemmy or Reddit.
- The League of Legends community on Reddit is much larger.
  Lemmy is better
  
  Check mate, Agnostics!!!!
- There are times I'd go with Reddit (or at least pre-exodus Reddit; I haven't been back there much since the APIpocalypse,) particularly when politics are discussed, but posts like this show where Lemmy shines.
- A large portion of Lemmy users migrated from reddit. They're both going to be similarly cancerous.
  
  There is a selection bias in who chooses to migrate, so this isn't necessarily true
- Yes
- Lemmy is. It’s average user is just as worthless, but there are fewer niche communities.

Does not have AI powered shit by default either which is another huge plus.
- Neither does most installations of windows
  
  The Copilot integration they recently pushed to 11 says otherwise. They're going hard on AI moving forward.

League is cancer. This meme is accurate.

Anyway, almost the only game I play in spare times since years, is The Dark Mod, it's free and works fine in Linux, Windows and even in Mac (using PlayonMac).
- This looks cool as hell. Thanks for sharing
  
  It is, without a doubt one of the best free games you can find, apart with a friendly community for the support and a complete Wiki with step by step tutorials for creating own missions. A game to enjoy for many years. Walkthroughs of all missions in YT in the case if you get stuck in a mission.

This is exactly the reason I am going to install linux on my main Desktop, crazy coincidence of this meme. The temptation to play that addicting game is sometimes hard to resist. In linux I am more inclined to spend my time on stuff I learn from.

What about runs League of Legends in its Windows VM
- Very soon it won't be doable due to vanguard (kernal level anti-cheat)
  
  I will finally be free?!

The more EA adds "in-kernel rootkits" to their games, the more powerful Linux becomes.

Linux>Windows Dota>LoL Conclusion: Linux+Dota=GG

Looking at it, I remembered the time when the only source of income I had was LoL
- Coaching? How much did you make?

What if I don't need anything to deter me from playing League of Legends? I've never tried it and don't want to.

One of my best friends I met playing LoL so I don’t know if regret would be the word, but… Going to Linux exclusively was one of the easiest ways to break the habit.

Same with FIFA or EA SPORTS FC. So double whammy to switch to linux

How can I block Lemmy Linux memes? Is there a way to escape Linux on Lemmy?
- You can add filter words on some apps. They remove any post that contains those words. In this case you'd add "Linux"

Omg when I meet someone me and they say they're a gamer. Why is it always fucking Dota?
- League is for children and Dota for adults. Which group do you hang around in life?
  
  Like I said. Why is it always Dota.

Which one has the better stock performance?
- Linux and its not even close...
  
  What's Linux's market cap?
  2023 revenue?

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