Perma-banned for saying being a tankie is just as bad as being a fascist (apparently that makes me a centrist)
(regarding Drew DeVault's opinion piece on Hyprland and its conservative/fascist dev and toxic community)
Yeah, awful.systems has stupidly heavy handed moderation.
I like awful.systems, but their moderation can definitely be very weird and with a very passive-aggressive tone.
It's not about right vs left. It's about totalitarianism vs pluralism.
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Drew DeVault is known for being a tankie? Are you sure about that? Afaik, he's a rather sensible kind of center-left.
Otoh, calling hyprland's developer or somebody like DHH fascists is a bit silly too.
What exactly did the hyperland devs and DHH guy even do anyway, and can you tell me without me having to read 35 links?
(Explanations are always just "they're nazis" with a bunch of links, which I'm sure have relevance, but I'm not going to some random site unless the juice is worth the squeeze and simply saying "them bad" doesn't entice enough.)
They are being wrong politically. I think Vaxry (the hyprland developer) opposed to some CoC in Freedesktop and was thus banned. Probably some other anti-woke stuff too. DHH has some pretty right-wing views (e.g. "London is not how I remember it anymore because there are too many foreigners" [paraphrased]) and used his blog to disseminate those views. Perhaps a bit ironically after loudly declaring that politics shouldn't be talked about at the workplace. I guess technically speaking his blog isn't the workplace.
Hardly cancel-worthy stuff even though I don't personally agree with a lot of them. But people are such snowflakes these days and at some point the FOSS community got so fundamental about certain opinions that Spanish Inquisition would look at them and say "Jesus Christ, bring it down a notch".
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Libs talking about the far-right: "BuT WhaT AboUt The FaR LeFt?"
It's not far-right vs far-left, it's authoritarian vs libertarian. Conservatives and tankies are both on the authoritarian side and for someone who cares more about personal freedom than economics they're way more similar than anarchists & tankies or right-libertarians & conservatives from your perspective.
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Tankies are just far-right for the other geopolitical camp. This isn't the take you think it is. I'd be considered far-left by the libs.
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I think it’s worth mentioning both. Especially when bots and bad actors are trying to influence people on both sides of the aisle.
Many of the far-left views by bad actors getting pushed are pro-authoritarian, accelerationists. They want people on the left side of the aisle to be totally checked out of politics and they want to not change anything to help people in our current system.
Even though you can enact every single policy position they claim to care about inside of our current system, the bad actors do not care as they are not trying to help people.
I care what is being talked about if it’s stopping people from engaging in politics at all. Universal Basic Income, Universal Healthcare, and public housing for instance are three policy issues that can be tackled right now at the state level in blue states. People don’t need to be promoting a pro-collapse message, which could negatively impact millions of lives in the short and long run.
These bots and bad actors have been influencing people mostly behind the scenes. I don’t want the pendulum to swing back to the left, only to have a bunch of pro-authoritarians “on the left” to have radicalized a generation of young people believing they can’t accomplish their goals democratically. I want democracy, representation, and I want progressive policy that helps people.
The far-right bots are pushing their message to low information people online, trying to get those people to be sympathetic to their talking points or to check out from politics as well.
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@H4rdStyl3z what's wrong on being a centrist?
Also, at least the admins also show their true face.
(edited the comment for clarity, lol)
And their true face is fucking ugly.
Who can support the horrid state of things. Give me a progressive over a centrist any day.
You're aussie, aren't ya?
By centrist, I mean either centre-left or centre-right, not fully centrist. I understand that being a pure centrist is pretty much impossible, but sliding into authoritarianism is the worst thing that can happen (and it's already happening around the world tbh). Both far-left and far-right have shown they only have repression in mind, and they all benefit the elites instead of the public. There's nothing perfect in either political system, but at least the centrist forces do allow some criticism if it means it will make things better imo.
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Tankies: "Look, some like sweet shit-sauce, other like sour shit-sauce, but nobody is allowed to like sweet and sour sauce. For one thing, it has no shit in it!"