"Antifa has been around for almost a hundred years in some instances, going back to the Weimar Republic in Germany." —a dude arguing that antifa is bad
Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona.bsky.social)
Authoritarians misunderstanding history? Who could have thought?
There is probably some nuance between KPD Antifaschistische Aktion, SPD Iron Front, and WW2 Resistance antifa, but none of that is relevant to modern discussions about American Antifa.
The most important thing to note about KPD, SPD, and the resistance during 1930s-1940s is about violent resistance to fascists rising to power. My hypothesis is that political violence is unproductive before rule of law breaks down, but then becomes the only option after rule of law breaks down.
Those who make peaceful protest impossible make violent revolution inevitable
The beaches of Normandy on D-day were full of antifa members...
So are they disavowing famous antifa like Dwight D. Eisenhower yet? You could make a case that Eisenhower was personally responsible for the deaths of thousands of fascists.
Fuck I've grown some serious hate for white Americans since 2016.
What does white have to do with anything? You do realize most people opposing this movement are also white...?
Hating people for their skin color will surely show those racists.
You're not wrong but seeing as how white Christian nationalism is the driving force behind what we're seeing right now let's not pretend like it has nothing to do with anything either. We can't ignore that aspect.
“Hate” can exist in all colors.
Don’t bring yourself down to the same level as the fascist, friend.
what a racist piece of shit.
edit:
if you don't have a problem with
Fuck I've grown some serious hate for white Americans since 2016.
but have a problem with
Fuck I've grown some serious hate for black Americans since 2016.
you might just be a racist piece of shit.
Founding fathers were antifa
...what?
Fascism as a movement didn't exist then but if you do want to label people as fascists then the founding fathers, many of whom owned people of other races as "property" and built slavery into the system they created definitely qualify.
It didnt have a name or a clear, written set of ideals until Mussolini coined it; but the sentiments that led to it have existed since the dawn of humanity.
If the colonial empires existed today, what would you call them?
Orwell wrote an essay on Kipling that applied the label of "pre-fascist" to him so feel free to use that instead. For the sake of conversation we can then agree that anti-pre-fascists are antifa or close enough. You could also insist on pre-antifa, that's pretty catchy.
After all, lesser evil empires fighting fascists still earn the title of antifascist, do they not?
Even if they, say, starve, imprison, and use "forced labor" on millions of their own citizens as a form of political control.
Otherwise you'll find that pretty much the only people that deserve the term of antifa are anarchists, which I'm also fine with, welcome to the right side of socialism.
I was just joshing. Though, do fascists want to own slaves? When I think of fascism, slave owning is not something that comes to mind.
....But they still very much got rid of the feudal equivalent of a dictator - a king - which is a step in the right direction, especially at the time. Notably many founding fathers were against slavery.
Eg this abolitionist from the 1500s originally was okay with slavery for black people, but not Natives, and then later changed his mind. He was FAR from perfect as an activist or abolitionist, but the steps he did were PROGRESS, and that counts. That you can criticize the past is a good thing, it means society did better.
How about a new synonym? Antifa just triggers all the people that didn't understand what it means. They think it means devil worshipping terrorists or something like that. It's not winning at this point. Maybe that's a good thing, 😂.
Just say Against Fascism, and don’t let anyone abbreviate it. When they complain, ask, “are you pro-fascism?”
The problem is that now, they are
Antifa is the modern version of the Soviet kulaks, which was their contemporary version of medieval witches. There are no shortage of historical examples of people making up groups that dont exist in reality to be afraid of, and thereby justify extreme and depraved actions against their countrymen. Anti-facism, anti-communism, or anti-christian, the social justification is pretty much irrelevant. Its all just an excuse for people in power to label anyone they want for execution. Its literally a witch hunt
His head looks bloated
...according to him, they were...
af - short for antifa. 'rats, foiled again'
Your average age of the original antifa is 98 years old - WW2 veterans
You think fascism is that young?
Refer to these comments:
https://lemmy.world/post/37091008/19852007
Then tell me what you think fascism is and we can talk.
Eta: I suspected by this first comment this was going to be a pointless conversation and it was