Calling yourself left wing doesn't mean you are left wing
Calling yourself left wing doesn't mean you are left wing


Calling yourself left wing doesn't mean you are left wing
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I would have described FDR as centre left
FDR was a centrist afraid of a communist revolution. This is the only reason the US got the New Deal. Funny it didn't last 20 years before it started getting dismantled. They are now at the SS dismantling phase.
Keep talking about reforming capitalism though.
New Deal boosted USA economy for decades tho, shit got done & people could spend.
Imagine if socialism was a thing then.
Okay so is every possible candidate for an American left wing leader just "a centrist whose afraid of communists?" Why even bother arguing with me then you've already made up your mind. The reality is he pushed through left wing legislation that pulled working class Americans out of the depression and put America onto the world stage as the leading power. His actions make him centre left regardless of the reasons you think he made them.
FDR did more for American workers reforming capitalism than any revolutionaries have since.
The US has no left wing leaders.
Does Bernie Sanders come close, in your opinion?
No, especially the last several years with his 'lets fight fascism by electing my good buddies the blue fascists.' He's never been anything but a party sheepdog
Bernie is a social democrat, which is left of the establishment, but he isnt an anticapitalist so a lot of leftists might not call him a left wing leader.
Honestly now I think you're a master-baiter and you caught me hook line and sinker. This is a straight up "there is no war in ba sing se" bit right?
It was fake reform BTW. It was never meant to last and you are a fool if you believed it was supposed to.
Okay buddy you're the one against a policy that improved the lives of workers
Liberals are not left wing they are centrist.
You're so brave for saying this
In 1934, a nationwide strike wave brought the us economy to its knees. Cities all along the trans continental railroad went on strike. Minneapolis had been basically completely taken over by a Trotskyist vanguard party, whose non-violent political tactics subverted police and big business interests at every turn. After the police shooting of two union dock workers in San Francisco on bloody Thursday, 160 unions initiated a 4 day general strike. In 1935, we got our new deal.
Workers, fed up with their conditions and inspired by socialist organizing, won a New Deal for ourselves. Giving credit to FDR for it, is ahistorical. It is exactly the sort of ruling class mythologies held and perpetuated by liberal elites. FDR was trying to rescue capitalism from the workers who had organized into a force capable of bringing it down, and seizing the means of production for the workers.
Despite the rational reforms FDR and Keynesian economics brought to the US economy, all of those reforms have been rolled back. That is because only the workers are able to win a rational economic system through struggle, it will never be given to us by some president who is beholden to the class that holds all the power and money.
There were many factors that contributed to disabling the American radical militant workers movement. Some was liberal meddling, and right wing regressive collaboration with regressive big business. But one thing that gets overlooked is how our movements were dismantled by Stalin's Comintern, who caused splits and purges in our movements along the lines of loyalty to the Stalinist bureaucracy.
So completely blaming liberalism isn't totally accurate either, unless you consider Stalin to be a liberal or a comprador (which honestly I think is kind of true.)
I try to be easy on liberals, I think progressive liberals are basically allies, at least when their illusions doesn't get in the way of principled struggle. But don't be confused by the mythology of FDR. Great man theory is a myth, only great movements of workers are capable of positive change under capitalism.
FDR was the leader at the time of the new deal. He gave into the will of the workers. This makes him left wing.
And the party has been running right ever since
The guy that locked up Japanese US citizens? A majority of the brains behind the New Deal came from his SoL Francis Perkins
No left wing government has ever been authoritarian or had institutionalised racism, you're so right