How do Europeans use their digital ID cards if they are not using stock android or iOS?
Starmer’s ID plan has caused upset, but in the EU the debate has long been settled
As above question.
Are they counted as 'digitally excluded' and how fucked are the actually digitally excluded residents?
What can I say? German ID app just works on GrapheneOS 🤷
(Although my shitty health insurance company thinks it's not 'secure enough'...)
In Australia you can't access any government services via "myGov" or "Medicare" on graphene.. But the face scanning "myID" verification app works which is the highest accepted level of ID verification by digital govt services... How ridiculous
Same on e/OS.
Banking and eID work just fine.
Health insurance first worked fine, got enshitificated, and later login ws restricted to password, no fingerprint...
There are always options beyond digital ID where I live. I am minimally inconvenienced for not using it.
This is not the case for what Starmer wants to do.
My phone is 14 years old, so no modern apps (especially the ones needing extra security) work there. In Ireland, we don't have a digital ID card, but there have been some equivalents:
My phone is 14 years old
Incredible work tbh. Mind me asking what phone that is?
I got 5 years out of my last one and 3 so far on current one and feel like I'm doing well with 8 years from two phones.
Samsung Galaxy S2. I've been always using it only for calling, texting, checking the weather in the morning, and automatic sync with my watch after a run (and perhaps with some light Internet browsing), so combined with a phone case, the phone has seen very little outside world, which limited any potential damage. I did have to replace the battery twice, though.
Now that my Canon Powershot died, though, I'm still considering whether to upgrade to a phone with good optics or get a new camera. They are roughly the same price.
Norwegian BankID can only be installed via the app store, but it still works if you use the Aurora store and G.Micro.
Though I'd like to advocate publishing the app through an F-Droid repo.
What an uncritical, fluff article. Thanks for posting and asking questions OP. Government control and security concerns are both essential parts of this conversation, utterly overlooked by the article.
France: never used that digital thing.
If the security implementation relies on device not being compromised it is not secure at all
it's country dependent. here there's multiple digital id providers with different criteria. there's one owned by the largest isp, one owned cooperatively by all the banks, and one owned by the state which very few people use. the bank one is the most popular, and it used to work fine on custom roms. i think that support got worse once they started adding more hardware-backed security.
i don't have the mental energy to fight it at this point, but if i did i'd try to run the state-backed one on sailfish just to see what happens.
Japan apparently has the same problem. It definitely has that probably using a phone to scan the id card to use various services (which is why I run stock android, mostly, with transit passed and banking being the other reasons).
I say apparently because I have zero interest in having the id on my phone itself.
Rooting apparently makes FELICA not work which is super inconvenient in Japan.
Swedish BankID and most banking apps work on grapheneos and lineageos. The only exception I know of is Revolut that just refuses to work on grapheneos.
I have a USB Cards reader. Works great and only cost 30 bucks.
The current German "Ausweisapp" also works on GrapheneOS.
You have to give a US corporation your details (Google or Apple) to live and work in the UK.
Think about that for a second.
I mean, I'm not a nationalist; idgaf where the corporation's base of operations is, they're untrustworthy regardless.
I'm just going to buy a dumb phone and tell them to send it to me in the post, like they do in every other place on the planet.
This is already shaping up to be a cack handed implementation that will solve sweet fuck all. They may a well not bother.
Can you elaborate on this and/or give a link?
Well, if you go to the app store, to install the app, you'll need either a Google, or apple account. As a normal, non tech warrior civilian.
In doing so, I will have to interact with a US corporation to get my ID on my phone.