Exploring Left-Wing Extremism on the Decentralized Web: An Analysis of Lemmygrad.ml
Exploring Left-Wing Extremism on the Decentralized Web: An Analysis of Lemmygrad.ml
Discovered in Fediverse Report – #129
What definition of left-wing do they use to call tankies left-wing? I don't know of any that would align with authoritarianism, which obviously entails inequality and significantly limited civil liberties. Other than that, it's a good, though short piece. It would be great to see more research or reporting on the subject.
Left-wing means anti-capitalist. This usually comes packaged with being either pro-socialism or pro-communism or both, and the tankies do usually tend to be pro-communism. They just differ from us on all the other stuff
Left wing was anti monarchy. Take a guess at who tries to reframe that.
The authors give away their ideology when they conflate anti-Zionism with anti-semitism.
If you think Zionism is a good thing, you’re supporting genocide.
Where do they conflate it? Here's an excerpt from the quote they provide as an example of antisemitism:
Everyone identifing as a jew is a zionist and an enemy of the communist and anti imperialist movement.
Ireland is trying to redefine "genocide" to include Gaza & Ukraine situations.
And you give away your ideology with this comment. You are the extreme they are talking about.
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command"
You reject this paper solely because it might go against your own beliefs. You don't need to agree with every thing everyone publishes. It is important to keep your mind open instead of taking anything that might make your question your beliefs as a personal attack. Stop with the us vs them and start thinking for yourself.
You would a reject an article from an pro russian media too
Regardless of what you think of lemmygrad, this is a shit paper.
Lemmy is an open-source, self-hosted Decentralized Web platform that provides instances for news aggregation and discussion forums (Lemmy 2023).
Notably, this work find positive sentiments toward Lemmy and criticism of Reddit among the users of this platform.
in a dry tone
Indeed.
Who would've thought
Although even Redditors aren't all that happy with Reddit.
Why the article mention amti zionism as it is bad to oppose that supermasist ideology?
Main stream has not accepted the reality that Zionism is cancer
It's crazy someone in this post argued that the grand mufti was influencial despite telling him that he failed to push most arabs to side with nazi germany at the same he said that Herzl was not influencial but the document of the declaration of "independence" Herzl referred to as "the spiritual father of the Jewish State" . I showed him quotes of herzl talking sbout expulsing the local population and ben gurion tslking sbout controlling all palestine once they get an army. He still refused to acknowledge that zionism is cancer
In my experience Lemmy tends to be pretty extreme left outside of the tankie communities. It isn't uncommon to see people here calling for violence or spreading hate speech.
It is really sad since I think Lemmy has some serious potential.
Spreading hate speech
And what hate speech is being spread by people on the left? You mean all the anti-nazi/anti-authoritarianism/anti-fascism sentiments?
Still big mad, we gloated about the dead CEO parasite
i wouldnt call extreme left, more like center left outside of tankies.
leftism is when hate speech
Unhinged take
Except that isn't what I said
Bootlicker...
From Wikipedia:
While Zionist values serve as the ideological foundation of Israel, the importance of Zionism as an organized movement has declined since Israeli independence.[2]
The Zionist movement continues to exist in the form of various organizations working to support Israel, combat antisemitism, assist persecuted Jews, and encourage diaspora Jews to move to Israel. Most Israeli political parties continue to define themselves as Zionist.
Zionism was about the creation of Israel, a democracy. Democracy is supposed to be for everyone who lives there, including Palestinians, who were living under authoritarian governance before that point. It is imperative that you understand power and control to understand the importance of democracy <- leftists are fucking failing right here.
Israel has not been a good steward of the endeavor, but it was nevertheless the goal. It was messy. People had to get along to make it work. The Palestinians of that time refused to coexist peacefully with the Jews because of antisemitism, and they left. The surrounding countries like Jordan refused to let them in, even when that was their previous country. They decided to attack Israel and lost multiple wars. They refused to share land that was not theirs before, even if it was their ancestral homeland, because there was no democracy. The land belonged to its rulers.
I personally think Israel was doing better than say, the USA with our indigenous peoples, until recent years when the rise of far right authoritarianism threw the democracy out of whack and the worst people there are now in control.
The genocide in Gaza is an unprecedented travesty and Israel must be held to account. But who has the right to redefine the word 'Zionism' when it's the word used by this group of people to define their effort to save themselves? The notion that it was a racist or colonial movement is propaganda. The Jews have faced legitimate oppression everywhere they have tried to exist and arrived in the region after fleeing persecution in Europe and elsewhere. As the word has lessened in usage, antisemitic forces have coopted it and turned it into a slur.
Anti-Zionists are at best ignorant of the importance of democracy and at worst, antisemitic. Pick a new word.
The West's biggest mistake was extending free speech to the non-free world via the internet, allowing us to propagandize ourselves by listening to people across the world who don't understand what democracy is. Or in the case of China, a regime that has been able to provide a high enough standard of living that it provides the illusion that they have it better. But trust me, they want democracy.
No zionism was an supermasist ideology that want to force a state on local population and kick out the local people
Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895
The property owners will come over to our side. According to my conception, the majority of the local population will have to be transferred elsewhere.
We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country. - Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895
Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly - Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895
Nah, fuck off shill.
Israelis are openly calling for blood, openly murdering children.
i see you haven't criticized the history stated here and only been critical of the current israelis calling for gaza children's blood openly
you must agree with the historical accuracy here and have problems tying your own shoe laces
Yeah, lots of them are. Fuck them. Would you like to see ALL Israeli punished or murdered for this? Because there's a word for that.
But who has the right to redefine the word 'Zionism' when it's the word used by this group of people to define their effort to save themselves?
Anti-Zionists are at best ignorant of the importance of democracy and at worst, antisemitic. Pick a new word.
The people who protect the leadership of Israel from any consequences regardless of how they behave and provide them the tools to do whatever they deem necessary, including blatant ethnic cleansing and genocide, call themselves Zionist. It might not be fair to redefine a word, but those commiting genocide and those defending and enabling genocide, use it for themselves. Opposition meets them where they stand. The burden should not be on those opposing the genocide, what you call tragedy, to come up with a new word. You are redefining anti-new-Zionism as Anti-Semitism. Just as unhelpful as redefining Zionism. How about we work to stop the genocide and then focus on the definition of Zionism later?
Zionism was about the creation of Israel, a democracy. Democracy is supposed to be for everyone who lives there, including Palestinians, who were living under authoritarian governance before that point. It is imperative that you understand power and control to understand the importance of democracy
'I stole your house and land to create a utopia. You could have understood my vision and agreed to my very generous offer of being second class citizens. But since you didn't, I will kill you and your family. You are failing to understand big-word and bigger-word.'
Fuck off, zcolonialism apologist.
Elaborate please
The fuck is this rightwing russian propaganda post? Eat a bag of dicks.
Uhhh what? Lemmygrad is generally pro-Russia (muh critical support) and this is an article examining their content, painting it as left wing extremism.
russian propaganda
US and EU funded, and I doubt propaganda.
This material is based upon work supported by the National Science Foundation under Grant No. IIS-2046590 and the European Union under the project MedDMO (Grant Agreement no. 101083756).
Tankies are supportive of Russia lol
I understand why tankies are referred to as on the left, but they just simply aren't. They're authoritarian and the things they post are rarely if ever in agreement with anyone else who calls themselves on the left.
10 times out of 10, I only get juvenile responses from tankie .ml users. You will never get any good faith discussions from them. Certain users are also terminally online when you look at their posting history. It is almost as if they are children...
Tankies are used to discredit the left. They are useful tools for both china and US regimes