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Any number of deaths is worth the fantasy, apparently

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People start murdering as many people as possible??? Is that what happens?
- It's the most high-casualty course of events possible under most circumstances, yes. Sorry that the ample evidence of the past 200 fucking years hasn't made that clear enough for you?
  
  Is that true though? I mean I just did a mental review of collapses that came to mind and not even the USSR resulted in mass deaths? I mean the mass deaths were for causes the led to the collapse of the USSR but the actual collapse was not what caused the deaths.
  Unless you mean that the new order that takes the place of the one before is the one that causes mass casualties because that does seem to be the usual case. No one actually falls in line with the ideology that wants to dominate, which I guess is your greater point.
  
  Is that true though?
  Somalia, Rwanda, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan (thrice), Sudan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, South Sudan, Yemen...
  Yes. It's very true.
  
  Ah my western bias is showing! You are right.
  
  Lets see those numbers!
  
  To be fair the USSR started with mass death and slaughter. Then continued in with it for some time. Strictly speaking the government never collapsed. Oh sure they loosened their grip on former forcefully conquered vassal States. But the bourgeoisie of the party didn't go anywhere. They simply gave up the pretense of sharing the means of production. And transition to outright owning them as proper bourgeoisie.
  We shouldn't fool ourselves though. Russia is actually still slowly collapsing as are many governments. Hundreds of thousands of Russia's sons have been conscripted to fight for a fascist in their very own Vietnam. With a heavy death toll and no end in sight. As day by day the requirements for qualification to be conscripted are broadened. Putin literally just burning away a large chunk of their society. It's happening, just quietly now that there 4th estate in the US and globally has been captured and stripped bare at the altar of capitalism. Doesn't matter if it's east or west. Journalist are regularly fired, disappeared, or just slaughtered for doing their jobs

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