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Thank you Tim Apple, who by the way is looking a little pudgy

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I’m not saying that appeasement is always the way, but I’d rather Apple stayed off Trump’s vindictive side by giving him a little shiny toy then by giving them (for example) user data or backdoors into their platform.
Yes, in an ideal world, they’d tell the whole administration to go fuck itself, but they also don’t want to be destroyed by the government (however illegal that may be, do you really think they’d survive long enough for all the legal challenges to go through the system if Trump decided Apple had to go?)
- You have zero way of knowing that there aren't some level of backdoors. There's zero reason to think they wouldn't fold for the US govt like they did for the Chinese government. Lastly there is no high ground here for Apple. It's bad enough that they go above and beyond to dodge taxes and this is them doing more of that but in a somewhat more shameful way than normal. Fuck em.
  
  It would be amazingly risky for Apple to hide backdoors in their products. One of their big selling points is their reputation for taking user data privacy seriously. If it ever came out that they’d helped a government by violating that, their credibility would be shot and they’d lose a noticeable percentage of customers overnight.
  That’s not good business, so I don’t think they’d risk it.
  
  Lol. If you don't think Apple has backdoors in their products I have a bridge to sell you.
  
  I’d be more interested in your background and knowledge of these backdoors than some bridge
  
  If you think Apple has hidden backdoors, some class action lawsuits would love to know about it. They've filled their pockets on much much less damning evidence.
  
  Their reputation amounts to them telling us that privacy is a human right but forgetting that the instant the Chinese government comes between Apple and money. Also if they were truly serious about security they would be open source. Like others have said, if the government wants a backdoor, they will get it no matter what apple says publicly because profits matter more than anything.
  
  One of their big selling points is their reputation for taking user data privacy seriously.
  lol, that is reputation only
  
  Remember back when the U.S. government had to go to the international hacker community to try and hack an iPhone about 10 years ago? I remember, and Pepperidge Farms remember. Maybe they've added backdoors since then, but there hasn't been any evidence of that, and it wouldn't be able to be kept quiet for very long of there were. You're collecting down votes, but I don't think you're wrong.
- If Trump would decide Apple "has to go", the US can stop pretending that they live in a democracy.
  
  The US has pretty much never been a real democracy (other than in a roman sense, as in "power belongs to rich men").
  
  In the Roman sense, it was never a democracy, in the sense that we vote for representatives, who then in turn vote on stuff for us. Er, I mean for the corporations. So you can see why this system is so prone to abuse.
  
  Every Western democracy votes for representatives, direct democracy isn't really a thing (except for partially in Switzerland). But many countries actually manages to represent the voters with their representatives, the US system definitely doesn't.
  
  I think you mean that many countries manage to let voters have i say along with all the other interestsgroups on the country, of which many are corporations.
- This is the type of thinking that has put corporations above people. "Oh no the trillion dollar company can't do the right thing or they could go under!"
- I’d rather Apple stayed off Trump’s vindictive side by giving him a little shiny toy then by giving them (for example) user data or backdoors into their platform.
  Who says they aren’t also giving that data?
  
  I’ve not read anything suggesting they are. I’d imagine this would be quite a big story if anyone has any evidence of it, and the Trump regime is incapable of keeping its mouth shut.
  Plus someone from Apple would leak it. Even if you genuinely believe Tim Apple is sucking trump’s dick, you can’t believe the entire company supports that.
  
  I believe these large tech companies give all kinds of data to the government already. Probably more than any of us should be comfortable with. Would anybody notice if they expanded the data set slightly?
- You never have more power against an authoritarian than you do right now.
  You have to resist, push back, fight etc. or you keep losing.
- Apple should be destroyed by the goverment, case closed.
  Regardless, as mister H. has shown and mister P. too, you can never appease a authoritarian monster, they always ask for more.
- Absolutely not, there's no upside to capitulating to a fascist, period.
  If the government wants backdoors they'll get them and in fact probably already have them. I'd rather no one appease a fascist dictator and anyone who does or thinks it's a good idea is a fascist by proxy.
- Yeah, because appeasing fascists has traditionally gone well...
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement
- We only saw the part of the appeasement process which was meant to be public. We have no way of knowing what is included in the non-public part.
- If Apple weren't pussies, and Trump said he'd end them for not capitulating, they'd just have to release all sorts of goodies that Trump and his cronies stored in their cloud.
  But alas, everyone and every company in America is a damned wuss.
- lol one has nothing to do with another.
- giving him a little shiny toy
  It wasn't a shiny toy...
  The base was a literal gold bar, that just had been reshaped to hold the piece of glass.
  trump will 100% throw the glass away and melt/sell the gold.
  It was one step away from a bag of cash
  
  I don’t think Trump is that hard up for cash that he’s melting little gold bars.
  
  Especially not when it's a symbol of his power to make Apple bend
  
  ...
  This is like say Gollum doesn't really want his Precious...
  It doesn't matter if people like that need more, they'll always want more.
- Whose to say they haven't already?

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