The Problem With Israel Is So Much Bigger Than Netanyahu
The Problem With Israel Is So Much Bigger Than Netanyahu
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The Problem With Israel Is So Much Bigger Than Netanyahu
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Religious extremists shouldn't be in charge of anything
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Finally, the global political community starts to push back against Israel's genocidal expansionism. A little.
The sheer fact that it took them almost 2 years and massive protests to find some of their humanity again is in itself quite depressing, but hey, it's better than nothing.
But right now it feels that at best we'll be returning to the status quo as it was before Trump 1.0, before Netanyahu went full mask off.
As it was for decades:
Mild criticism of Israel to keep them in check and suitable for polite society, but never enough to actually solve the Palestine problem once and for all, never enough to actually stop Israel from expanding more-or-less aggressively. Tacit agreement by only stepping in when it becomes too ... disgusting?
I truly hope there's an actual solution somewhere on the horizon. This has been going on since 1948, it's time wouldn't you think.
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2 years? I think you mean 60.
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I don't think you understood my comment, or stopped reading too early.
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Hamas has often been the roadblock for getting a two state setup sorted. I mean, the chant "From the River to the Sea" is about the Jordan river, and includes all of Israel -- it's legit a call for the extermination of all Israeli Jews. Hamas has pretty clearly not been in favour of a two state solution, ever. Like, the Oslo accords fell apart due to failures from both the Israeli govt and the Palestinian Authority -- it's hard to blame just Israel, when Hamas was busy assassinating people involved in the peace talks.
Doesn't excuse what Israel's doing to civilians currently though, nor how they've generally treated the Palestinian population for decades.
Another note worth highlighting, is that the 'world response' is largely one that eyes the USA with caution. The US govt prioritizes Israel's interests even over their own citizens, with Trump commenting on FEMA aid being denied for any state that's off-message on the ongoing conflict. Trump even jacked up tariffs on Canada just because the PM said he might recognise Palestine (if a bunch of impossible conditions were met). The US president isn't exactly subtle when he tweets shit like this. Imagine what the USA would do if other countries tried to take actual military action (blockades, or deploying UN peacekeepers or whatnot) to stop Israel from committing genocide -- cause that's what it realistically would've taken to stop them.
Hell, Israel has nukes. That's more than most other countries. There's this fun conspiracy theory I've heard that Israel managed to get some smaller nukes into America at some point, and basically has a 'quiet understanding' with the USA that if Israel goes down, they'll detonate nukes in key points in America. It'd help explain America's capitulation to Israel, though I think it's a bit far fetched -- the more likely reason is prolly more mundane, like campaign money/financing and regular corruption.
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Perhaps there's something fundamentally unsound about claiming a 2500-year-old collection of shepherds' fairy tales confers ownership over land that someone else owns?
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The whole region is so engrained with violence, oppression and exploitation. All of it stems from religious control.
The only way to rehabilitate the region is to remove religious control and establish secular institutions.
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All of it stems from colonialism and Western meddling you mean. Who do you think gave Palestine to the Zionists?
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It can be both
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The conflicts are much older than that, but yes, it is definitely not helping.
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And before them, it was the Ottomans, and before them it was the Arab islamic conquests and so on and so forth. Colonialism is far from only a western problem.
Palastine has been faught over and handed between major powers for millenia. They have never been allowed to form their own regional state for long enough.
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jizzrali genocidal scum
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Bibi is Hitler, anyone who had a role in supporting him is a Nazi. There, problem identified. Now prosecute in international court.
Good start, but then you have to ask: Where is the opposition to the genocide? Where are the people horrified by the genocide being committed by their compatriots and taking to the streets? Where are the opposition politicians attacking Bibi for committing genocide?
This goes way beyond Netanyahu's supporters; even people who oppose him for corruption and anti-democratic behavior tend to support him, or at least toe the line, when it comes to the war.
I've tried reasoning with my Nazi-ass/Diet Nazi family, but they seem to earnestly believe that they're not Nazis. I try to provide emotional support to my cousin in the IDF, who has spent his entire career trying to protect Palestinians as best as he can, but we haven't heard from him for nearly a year now. I hope he's just in jail again for defying orders...
Other than that, I'm still freaking out too much about the Nazis gaining power here at home. There's too many goddamn Nazis these days...
What do you think Israel should have done after October 7? Packed up and left?
Already underway but it seems in these times international agreements are seen as decorative and/or leftist tubthumping.
Always have been.
Right, but it won’t happen.