Everyone's Dream

Running water would be nice

And a sewer system
- In the winter you freeze your ass while in the summer the smell will floor you.
- Which only exists in a city
And solar panels and a big battery for electricity. And a good sceptic system so i don't have to crap in a hole in the ground outdoors 500 feet away from my house. And a good general store in easy driving distance. And a powerful 4x4 vehicle that can get down to the main road even when the giant driveway path is very muddy or covered in 5 feet of snow. And a decent medical facility not too far away so when a health problem arises i don't lose a limb that could've been saved. And a post office not too far away so i can get packages delivered. And and and ...
- I'd rather have a store within biking / fat biking / skiing / hiking distance to be less reliant on a car. Maybe some electric mobility option like an e-skidoo / ebike.
- A poo bucket is not nearly as bad as it sounds. (Saw dust and distance keep the smell down.)
  Otherwise, great list.
- Sounds like Jackson Hole would be perfect! Hope you're a billionaire...
I think that comes from the roof.
(water incursion is a huge source of anxiety; this place is NOT for me)
- That roof looks very modern though. I don't think there's any more of a risk of water incursion from the roof than any other house
and air conditioning
Find a stream, dig a well, set up a rain collection system, have a cistern / pump / filter.
Yep, its difficult, but not impossible.
People have been doing that for tens of thousands of years... though I will grant you this is increasingly, unrealistically difficult for an average person to pull off these days, even if you basically learn how to properly do all of it yourself, lots more legal restrictions, and construction/materials are costly.

Just don't touch the book or listen to the audio tape you find in the cellar.

I absolutely recommend touching the book. The flesh binding and esoteric runes are metal AF and look good on the coffee table.
- Just remember that you must say these words exactly when removing the book from its cradle: Klaatu barada nikto.
Okay, I'm drawing a line in the fucking sand, here. Do not read the Latin.
- Do not read the Latin.
Don't tell me what to do! 😤

Nah, I still want to live in a community. Just not the fake community we have now.

Also, log cabin homes are bad. The one pictured has the internal space of an efficiency apartment, but uses far more logs of wood to get a much draftier result. You could get a lot of 2x4s out of this thing.

Yea but if a tree falls on it, its going to survive the impact. Which is kind of important in the woods.
- Tree falls on your log cabin — now you just have more house.
  Mitch Hedberg
- Native Americans came up with plenty of dwellings using the same materials in the same environment. Most of those were far less wasteful. Trees falling are not that common.
Drafty? You know they put isolation between the logs right?
By not opening the logs, you don't invite moisture to the wood either. If you made them into 2x4's and didn't treat them, you'd have rot within a few years. It's not exactly a coincidence that log cabins where the norm where you had enough wood to support them.

Absolutely not. I was doing Spanish learning on an app and laughed at the guy who moved from "una casa oscura en las afueras" to "un apartmento soleado en el centro" (from the dark and gloomy house in the outskirts to the sunny apartment in the center of town) and raised his spirits because that is also the way I feel about living.

Whenever this get posted people comment about ACKTUALLY this is bad because no food/water/electricity or whatever but I think we're missing the point. If you magically woke up one day and had rightful ownership of this land and this house, presumably getting out of paying housing costs or rent, well, if that happened to me that would be the highest point of my life so far. Solving the problems of all the other stuff you wouldn't have is still a more realistically solvable problem than trying to make a sustainable income in the face of rigged housing costs in this absolute clown show of a society we live in.

Honestly, I'd be ecstatic with owning any property right now....
The fact that I'm not only not alone in this, but the sentiment is held by a statistically significant percentage of people.... That is the problem.

We all just want to be left alone, in some form or other. Ironically, in order to be left alone, we need to ban together.

You are absolutely right. Our world is imbalanced.
We are a social creature, we are such a social creature shaped by millions of years of cooperative survival, that we literally fall apart and die without social identity. We have "loneliness epidemics" while being more connected to each other than we could have ever imagined.
We desperately need social support, not just from friends and family but from communities. The whole "single family home" is a brand new concept in human society, we used to all live in villages where we knew each other, before that, huge tents and dugouts where we piled together and talked and cooked on fires together and shagged like animals day and night. We raised our kids as a community and nobody ever felt alone or adrift, and in fact being expelled from your community was one of the harshest punishments anyone could do to you.
So why are we all retreating to discord chats and AI text predictors? Why do we want to avoid our neighbors so desperately that we want to remove ourselves even further from our societies?
We are sad because we are alone, and we are alone because we are sad, and we have massive corporate machines pouring every placating, dopamine-numbing distraction down our gullets so we don't actually start hanging out and socializing and forming communities again. If we did that, we might start sharing ideas and motivations and we might start changing systems... can't have that! So best to keep reinforcing isolation. Show big, empty minimalist homes with huge TV screens as your "peak" goal in life, having isolated cabins in the woods with all the amenities as a measure of success. We run from people who think different instead of trying to convince them to be better and we argue with people ostensibly on our side and we get so stressed by it all that we do everything we can to turn off actual conscious, narrative thought.

too many spiders

Nah, this and a laptop with 16TB.

Ans offline backups for different wikis and game roms for many gens of consoles and handhelds.

Dpending on your definition of 'fast', you can pull this off with those newfangled 5G base station/routers.

Just gotta find a place near enough to a city, not too far into the boonies.

Cheaper than Starlink.

Fast enough to game to game on, unless there's some kind of serious servicd outage or massive weather storm of some kind.

I am using 4G today for internet and its totally fine.
As someone who lives out in those boonies in the middle of a forest, (groceries are a mere 100 mile round trip. I did that yesterday), the internet has had a funny journey here. We pretty much went from dialup to fiber, sometimes it's good to be last. We've had fiber now for 6 or 7 years. While it's only 2.4G, still fast enough for most people. But weather can make internet and electricity somewhat spotty as winds can blow trees over and the lights go out.
But we still very much behind on cell service. Due to the trees and and hills, towers can be far and few between. Many places have poor to no service. I can sometimes get a text message out in my yard, but making a phone call isn't happening. And most places I forage or hunt in have no service at all. If I have a heart attack, ain't no one dialing 911 for me unless they use the land line in the house. Weirdly enough there is one spot one the lake I live on that I can get 5G. It seems to be about a 200 yard circle.
What all of these swaive, 'fisticated, and urbane Ubanites will miss is the "quality of life" they are used to. "Fun things" like movies, concerts, plays, shopping, fine dining, are either miles and miles away or non-existent. Best we can do for you is Brodini being in town for a one Saturday afternoon comedy magic show in the summer. And for shopping, you can always use Amazon and wait a week or two for the shipping.
But I get to sit here this morning, breathing in the smoke from the Canadian forest fires, (we are not quite in the promised orange yet today), and drink my tea over looking a quiet lake and listen to the loon out in front of my house. I think it takes a special mind set to live like this. And most people don't have it because they don't know anything different.
- Thoreau comes to mind.
  Yep.. its a different way of life.
  Slower, more intentional, less frills, less impulsive, different kinds of worries, different kinds of joys.
  I myself am this... really weird sort of person that more or less grew up quite close to that, but alsi loved tech from a young age, went to uni, went to work as a corpo...
  And I saw that all this 'high falutin' fast life was fun, very engaging, very rewarding in novel ways... but also, just... not ultimately sustainable, not the way we do it in most of the US... too much debt, too much consumerism, too much greed.
  "Too many men, too many people, causing too many problems... not much love to go around."
  So, now that ... well basically the economy is totally collapsing... well I at least am adaptable, and know how to live lean, do the long term planning I can afford to.
  I forget which Bond movie it was, but Desmond Llewelyn's last line as Q:
  Always have an escape plan.

I guess starlink is your only choice then? Or some other ISP that can extort you, since its your only option in the countryside?

I live in the city and still only have one option that extorts me. Yeehaw.
Could meshtastic reach 56K?

dont doxx my mind pls

Nah, fuck this. This isolationist mentality from larpers is what lead us to this fucking mess. This is fucking terrible, and people shouldn't be living in this shit, and 99% of those who tried know it.

Damn. God forbid people romanticize having some peace and quiet.
- I mean yeah... cities aren't loud, cars are loud.
  I live in a village but between semi-trucks, loud motorcycles, and trucks with mufflers modified to be louder that you can hear from miles as they motor away... it's too loud for how much nowhere there is here, particularly during midday.
- Isolated hut in the woods is about the farthest thing from peaceful and quiet you can get.
Counterpoint: I tried and I want to leave this broken society even more now (especially since societal enshitification seems to even accelerate).
Though you still need social contacts (that you really like) to avoid loneliness, so in case you have that, it's a wonderful, peaceful and healthy way to live more in harmony with nature, but it's a lot of work nonetheless.
- Take it from someone who actually experienced living in a remote isolated place. It's as far as peaceful, healthy, and quiet lives you can imagine. You're not a druid from a larp, and you're not an animal born in a ditch, you will not be in "harmony" with nature, whatever the fuck you mean by it, you will be in a constant opposition to it, in a fight for your life, and "the nature" will consume you in the end. I know you're not one of those people who actually thrives in that environment, I know it because we're talking on the internet, and weird forest isolationists don't talk to other people on the internet.
  All that remote hut bullshit is a sham perpetuated by antisocial weirdos and scammers that sell buckets of prep food you can shit in.
😂 poor little guy. What would you even do without DoorDash?!
There's no way you could hack it, so there's absolutely no way many, (MANY) other people could!
- Oh, a bunch of people really believe they can and should live in isolation from society. Some of them really are. Most of them have or about to have a mental illness that is exacerbated by fearmongering from all the weird groups, and isolation transitions them from kinda weird guys that need a bit of help, to full on psychos. Just look what a little bit of covid isolation did to so many people, and they had zoom.
  Of course I couldn't "hack it" in social isolation, but neither do you, and your doordash comment only shows that you actually have very little idea what you're talking about.

I legit almost had that dream. Used to live on the KY/TN border. Had 50 acres, half mile off the road and no neighbors. Right as I determined I was moving the local power company started their own fiber ISP. Brought fiber right up to the house.

Been living like this for over a decade in south east asia and its incredible. Got all of my tech gadgets, 1gbps, jungle, beach, rescue dogs and occasional road trip to the city. If you can earn 3k usd/mo remotely you can have all of this too!

Well that and food. Might need food to survive.

Theres food in the forest, I'll need a oversized soaking tub.
- You gotta pick a fuckton of berries and hunt a lot of squirrels unless you have both the acres and knowledge to actually farm and homestead.

Why would it need fast internet? Fairly slow internet would be fine, stick a 4G antenna on the roof and I would be fine with that.

Sometimes I get the vague sense that I've already seen a post in my /all view, but I don't think i've ever seen them back to back like this. Not even the title is different

Cross-posting as part of ongoing boycotting/protest efforts against .ml
- Sure, but:
  That doesn't excuse not even attempting a first-blush attempt at authoring even just the title yourself
  and
  Constantly reposing duplicates en-mass makes the experience way worse for those of us who don't have a personal vendetta against particular target lemmy instances and who haven't defederated with them out of spite or distaste
  do what you want but this is basically just petty vandalism

So, the exurbs?

Pass, I like being able to walk to the store and concerts and stuff. Maybe with the hydroponics and aeroponics boom everybody can just live in a city and leave nature alone?

In theory cities are more efficient, than living off-grid, I agree.
In reality though if you're really careful and know what you're doing (and are really disciplined and have educated yourself), you can live a true carbon neutral life.
All the infrastructure in cities and everything around modern life is just destructive in so many ways unfortunately...
And unfortunately the mass of people don't care enough, to initiate the necessary systemic changes to make cities truly sustainable...
- Reminds me of that guy from the Good Place who ran a snail rehab.

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So you can watch the world turn to fascism in 4k, and have your daily dose of ads and propaganda, while isolated in the woods.

Was more thinking for cartoons and porn. Ill observe the fascism in podcast form.
- I have a hard drive filled with this, no need to have a constant internet connection. Streaming is just being a slave to corporations.
  Maybe I'm just old, but I lived in the era of dial-up where downloading MP3s at 4.5 kb/s was common, and you didn't want to have to download it again, so you kept it safe in a folder. Well, multiple decades later, I have multiple folders filled with multimedia.
- Ad-cartoons and facism-porn?